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08-16-2006, 12:33 PM
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It's great they have all this time to invent their new stuff and have the BIG announcements. I just wish they had a fix for my fuel gage. It just goes to empty once or twice every trip - the bell rings - and a little later it corrects itself. Yes - I had the recalls done and there is not loose or bad wiring. I know others have had similar problems - my question is - has anybody ever had WH come to the plate and fix it, do you just grin and bear it or have they ever spent the time to find the problem?
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08-16-2006, 12:33 PM
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It's great they have all this time to invent their new stuff and have the BIG announcements. I just wish they had a fix for my fuel gage. It just goes to empty once or twice every trip - the bell rings - and a little later it corrects itself. Yes - I had the recalls done and there is not loose or bad wiring. I know others have had similar problems - my question is - has anybody ever had WH come to the plate and fix it, do you just grin and bear it or have they ever spent the time to find the problem?
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08-16-2006, 03:08 PM
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Senior Member
Newmar Owners Club Freightliner Owners Club
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Naples, FL
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I am getting a new display panel after a WEEK of trouble-shooting by the Local WorkHorse Repair Facility Technicians(I have extended warranty Thank God!) I had problem very similar to yours (can you say "EXACTLY"?). What drove it "over the top" was a "reduced engine power" shut down on I-294 across from O'Hare airport (very scary
TO: DriVer I hope it never happens to you, but if it does I believe that you may change your mind on the Danger level of this mode).
I just barely made it to the shoulder in heavy traffic. Turns out the code said "Low voltage" and I had found a corroded negative battery terminal (nobody, it seems, had ever sprayed either battery terminal with anti-corrive spray).
While they were trouble shooting the "failure" of the engine they ran into the display problem.
I am ordering AutoTap software diagnostics TODAY.
I want to be able to spot potential problems before they become failures. AutoTap (or similar products) can monitor 200 parameters (some tranny parameters too) and produce graphs and reports to give to your technician when you get to the service center. Also you can reset Check engine lights.
These rigs and your cars(WH and others) are very complex with more computer power than the Apollo spacecraft had. Any tools we can get to help us keep our repair expenses lower are OK in my book.
just my 2 cents worth
Good Luck
Dave
PS post a request and I will respond off forum for more details
I have no commercial interest nor do I derive any personal gain from AutoTap It is just a good product among several
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08-16-2006, 04:53 PM
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Moderator Emeritus
Nor'easters Club Workhorse Chassis Owner iRV2 No Limits Club
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park_ridge_dave welcome to irv2
Thanks for joining in the discussions and for your posts. Owning a Newmar entitles you to become a member of the Newmar Forum.
If you like I can add some KARMA to your profile and you will no longer be just a new member.
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08-16-2006, 06:01 PM
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Winnebago Owners Club Workhorse Chassis Owner Coastal Campers Carolina Campers
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Fillitup:
I know others have had similar problems - my question is - has anybody ever had WH come to the plate and fix it, do you just grin and bear it or have they ever spent the time to find the problem? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Unfortunately if it were a bad or loose ground or connection this would have been fixed a long time ago. The anomaly occurs in any one of several places none of which can be accurately reproduced under operational condition. It seems that the needle reset happens when one of 2 conditions presents. One the fuel gauge sender in the tank has an issue sending a signal over the bus for unknown reasons and the other is a spike that's interpreted by the panel as a low volt condition so the panel resets itself. Both Actia and Workhorse engineers are working on the resolution of this transient problem.
The fault causes no operational short or long term consequences other than the fuel gauge resetting itself.
The same event occurs to me every so once in a while and it never consistently reoccurs when I expect it to. It's a difficult situation however they are aware of the situation and they are working on it.
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08-16-2006, 06:29 PM
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Moderator Emeritus
Winnebago Owners Club Workhorse Chassis Owner Coastal Campers Carolina Campers
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by park_ridge_dave:
I am getting a new display panel after a WEEK of trouble-shooting by the Local Workhorse Repair Facility Technicians(I have extended warranty Thank God!) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>No need to thank God in this matter because Workhorse will take care of this problem on a case by case basis. When an IP condition presents itself that is out of warranty few if ever IP requests for service have been denied and you can take that to the bank. So you can put God on hold for a brief moment. The only person that is making out on this deal is your insurance company because they won't be paying out anything to replace your IP.<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> TO: DriVer I hope it never happens to you, but if it does I believe that you may change your mind on the Danger level of this mode). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I have experienced any number of faults on my 2 Workhorse motorhomes that I have owned. The current one has some 48,000 miles. A reduced engine power, range inhibit or or any other immediate power reduction scheme is designed to save you the owner the expense of having something critically fail that might cost an excessive amount of financial and time resources to correct. The limp feature also allows the driver to have enough mobility to clear the lanes of traffic unless the drivetrain completely shuts down which is very rare in occurrence.
The condition that you present as evidence due to a failed battery or a low volt condition has nothing to do with Workhorse the manufacturer of your chassis since the entire electrical distribution system is completely redone at the time the coach is built. A corroded battery terminal falls within the guidelines of "owner service and maintenance". Our computer controlled motorhome chassis do not function well without a battery that is fully charged and able to provide the necessary current to operate all the systems while accepting a charge from the alternator. Anti corrosive spray as you suggest may have helped however this is not a remedy or a practice that is accomplished by Workhorse at the manufacturing plant.<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">While they were trouble shooting the "failure" of the engine they ran into the display problem. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Seems too convenient for me, you must have noticed something amiss with the IP before you brought the motorhome in for service rather that the center telling you there's a problem with the IP. What exactly did they find as the root cause of the problem and how was it resolved? Is it currently working OK?<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I am ordering AutoTap software diagnostics TODAY. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>A liberal application of money might be just the thing you need to reduce the money you have available for other things. A AutoTap isn't going to tell you anything about the Actia panel however you will get data all right but it may be inconclusive other than giving you a feeling that you're in control.<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I want to be able to spot potential problems before they become failures. AutoTap (or similar products) can monitor 200 parameters (some tranny parameters too) and produce graphs and reports to give to your technician when you get to the service center. Also you can reset Check engine lights. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Your WCC tech may see your data as flawed because the only instrument that is approved for diagnostic work on a Workhorse Chassis is a Tech II. All the service centers have them and it is the only instrument that they will consult to determine what exactly might be the problem with your chassis.
Enjoy the new AutoTap.
Your AutoTap disclaimer is noted but unnecessary.
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08-16-2006, 06:36 PM
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Damon Owners Club Workhorse Chassis Owner Forest River Owners Club Ford Super Duty Owner
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That's another suggestion that Driver should make to WH. Let the owner decide if he wants to proceed to a safe place to stop. The whole darn MH is not worth jeopardizing the owner and his family. He's smart (or dumb) enough to buy it , let him make the decision whether he wants to stop or not. Engines can be replaced and MH's too. What makes it worse is that I've never heard of anyone going into limp mode because of what could really cause serious damage. Like who really care if the computer thinks you have low voltage. " just let me get to a safe spot to stop workhorse" Why does WH think they are so fragile? They're not trying to protect us, just their fragile truck. I dont care if the oil pan fell off, I don't want anyone killed because I'm in limp mode in the hammer lane in a 75MPH highway but the engine is still capable of getting out of the way at least.. Why can't teir little IP just say "We detected low voltage, do you want to proceed?"
Good idea driver?
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08-16-2006, 07:59 PM
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Moderator Emeritus
Winnebago Owners Club Workhorse Chassis Owner Coastal Campers Carolina Campers
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by max49:
Good idea driver? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>That sounds good to me. I wish we had that luxury. Computers are what they are and they do what they do. Gone are the days of chugging and backfiring and coming to a stop with a huge bang from the exhaust pipes and completely dying right on the spot.
At least the computer programmers want us to attempt to get to a safe spot so they try to give us the opportunity to clear the road. Going slow in a 75 MPH lane won't happen immediately unless you pull your drogue chute!
You can with this type of energy have time to determine that you can't proceed any further and pull off to the side of the road in a safe and calculated manner providing safety for both yourself and family and other drivers.
I really can't buy into the dilemma where we're all going to perish in the unlikely event that a reduced power mode is presented. You will normally have the time to come to a controlled stop. Most often a key shutdown and a restart gets us back on the road with a code retained in memory. Unfortunate as these occurrences are we see no fatalities to occupants with this feature in effect.
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08-17-2006, 12:06 AM
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My entire IP goes dead at least once a day when we're on the road. Doesn't last long, and in the past has scared the he-double-l out of me. I now expect it to occur.
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08-17-2006, 10:42 AM
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Quote From Driver---
"they are working on it"
Driver - you do a lot of good here and this is not aimed at you nor is it a bash on WH or you either... BUT - I reported the problem over a year ago and I can't believe that if they were working hard that they would not have found and fixed the problem...but it is what it is. Thank you for all the assistance and WH interface and like I said in the subject line ---I wish they would fix my gage.....Thanks again.
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08-17-2006, 05:50 PM
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Damon Owners Club Workhorse Chassis Owner Forest River Owners Club Ford Super Duty Owner
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I've never heard of any other vehicle going into limp mode. The unique problem with WH's limp mode is not that the engine , transmission or any other part of the power trane has a problem , it's just WH's computer setup freaking out. They need lots more research and development before experimenting with gadgets that other vehicles don't even have, and if Ford has a limp mode , it stays out of site and mind, no false alarms ever. None of my boats have ever gone into limp mode and they are Chevy engines and they supposively do have some kind of reduced power mode. If I had a choice of breaking down on the road or driving to where I need to go and possibly causing more damage or just being stuck to supposively protect the WH, I would more often choose to drive to where I felt comfortable. I've never broken down before but I know it could be a nightmare. And besides what could be a better reason to get rid of a MH than having it leave one stranded on or beside the road.
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08-18-2006, 05:40 AM
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Senior Member
Newmar Owners Club Freightliner Owners Club
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Location: Naples, FL
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Google "reduced engine power mode" follow the various topics.
You will get and "eyeful". Trailblazers, Corvettes, all kinds of vehicles.
Also, you will be on your own here, you can find sites that will allow you to do "Major Damage" to your power train if you are not VERY CAREFUL!
you have been warned
Dave .... that's my story and I'm sticking to it!
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