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Old 11-24-2008, 02:33 PM   #1
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I am very pleased to be the first to provide this news to all of our members here in the Workhorse Custom Chassis Motorhome Forum. Please know that this information is preliminary and I do expect the official release of this information in the form of Press Release to be forwarded to me later this week. I will post the releases in the RV Industry News Forum.

I just wanted to give you a heads up about what Workhorse Custom Chassis will be presenting at the National RV Trade Show in Louisville this year. I will be your on the spot reporter and I will be making pictures and commentary available by Tuesday evening next week if at all possible.

<LI> It will be a mostly diesel show for Workhorse Custom Chassis (Booth 2018, North Wing, East Hall) as it will, first of all, introduce its W20D and W22D (W20D will be the display model) front engine diesel chassis for the first time. With 20,500 and 22,000 lb. GVWRs, they are the same as Workhorse’s popular gas W20 and W22 models, including the six-speed Allison, only powered by Navistar’s MaxxForce™ 7 diesel engine (230 hp, 620 lb.-ft torque). The 33-foot Itasca Sunstar (Winnebago Booth 1026) and the all-new 31-foot, seven-inch Four Winds Serrano (Booth 3000) will be two Class A models at the show built on the W20D.

<LI> Workhorse will also display its W16D chassis, introduced in September. It’s another front-engine diesel powered by a MaxxForce™ 5 engine (200 hp, 440 lb.-ft. torque) and used by new Avanti motor home from Damon (Booth 3000).

<LI> Gas is still in the equation with the 2009 Chevy Workhorse Class C chassis. The big news here is that the 2009 model has boosted its GCWR from 17,600 lbs. to 20,000 lbs., and GVWR from 14,050 lbs. to 14,200 lbs., leaving it with 5,800 lbs. of safe towing capacity among other things.

<LI> And, finally, Navistar is displaying its “Super C” chassis for RVs, the DuraStar, in the Workhorse booth. With a 25,500 lb. GVWR and a 33,000 lb. GCWR, it is a heavy-duty diesel in every sense of the word (MaxxForce DT engine, 300 hp, 660 lb.-ft. torque).

Please allow me a bit of editorial room at the moment I would like to share some thoughts with you about this. We all know that WCC obtains gasoline engines from GM. We have also spoken about the "fact" that 8.1L engine will no longer be in production. It was earlier reported that GM was retooling the Tonawanda Power Train Plant and that it was going to begin producing a small diesel engine of some type for its pickup truck line and other other vehicles.

Workhorse in 2010 is in desperate need for a gasoline engine solution however I am assured that they are working on that. Now to my surprise, and not too removed from the participant's questions in my seminar in Orlando, we spoke about front mounted diesel engines. I began my presentation by outlining the properties and benefits of the new W16D front mounted diesel engine and those were well received. The attendees were all very much interested in improving their economy by as much as 70%. These numbers are not imaginary and were in fact achieved by Damon Coach while testing their new Avanti.

WCC is a Navistar Company and it just so happens that International Truck and Engine make a great many diesel engines I am told. It is only logical that we see this evolution since gas engines at the moment are challenged in these large machines. A MaxxForce 7 engine producing 230HP at 630lb/ft of torque maybe exactly what the doctor ordered.

I am sure that a lot of gas owners are going to be wanting to remain with gas power for obvious reasons. How well the new Ds will test and run is something that I hope to get a first hand opportunity to test drive as soon as possible. Once I get behind the wheel you folks will be the first to know how that went.

I have iRV2 Editorial Press credentials which will allow me access to this Industry Only Show. Equipped with a camera and a steno pad I'll do my best to provide you folks with the best information that I can compile. I will be on the road beginning Monday. I am really excited about what might be out there to kick the tires on at the RVIA Show! Stay tuned folks .....
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I am very pleased to be the first to provide this news to all of our members here in the Workhorse Custom Chassis Motorhome Forum. Please know that this information is preliminary and I do expect the official release of this information in the form of Press Release to be forwarded to me later this week. I will post the releases in the RV Industry News Forum.

I just wanted to give you a heads up about what Workhorse Custom Chassis will be presenting at the National RV Trade Show in Louisville this year. I will be your on the spot reporter and I will be making pictures and commentary available by Tuesday evening next week if at all possible.

<LI> It will be a mostly diesel show for Workhorse Custom Chassis (Booth 2018, North Wing, East Hall) as it will, first of all, introduce its W20D and W22D (W20D will be the display model) front engine diesel chassis for the first time. With 20,500 and 22,000 lb. GVWRs, they are the same as Workhorse’s popular gas W20 and W22 models, including the six-speed Allison, only powered by Navistar’s MaxxForce™ 7 diesel engine (230 hp, 620 lb.-ft torque). The 33-foot Itasca Sunstar (Winnebago Booth 1026) and the all-new 31-foot, seven-inch Four Winds Serrano (Booth 3000) will be two Class A models at the show built on the W20D.

<LI> Workhorse will also display its W16D chassis, introduced in September. It’s another front-engine diesel powered by a MaxxForce™ 5 engine (200 hp, 440 lb.-ft. torque) and used by new Avanti motor home from Damon (Booth 3000).

<LI> Gas is still in the equation with the 2009 Chevy Workhorse Class C chassis. The big news here is that the 2009 model has boosted its GCWR from 17,600 lbs. to 20,000 lbs., and GVWR from 14,050 lbs. to 14,200 lbs., leaving it with 5,800 lbs. of safe towing capacity among other things.

<LI> And, finally, Navistar is displaying its “Super C” chassis for RVs, the DuraStar, in the Workhorse booth. With a 25,500 lb. GVWR and a 33,000 lb. GCWR, it is a heavy-duty diesel in every sense of the word (MaxxForce DT engine, 300 hp, 660 lb.-ft. torque).

Please allow me a bit of editorial room at the moment I would like to share some thoughts with you about this. We all know that WCC obtains gasoline engines from GM. We have also spoken about the "fact" that 8.1L engine will no longer be in production. It was earlier reported that GM was retooling the Tonawanda Power Train Plant and that it was going to begin producing a small diesel engine of some type for its pickup truck line and other other vehicles.

Workhorse in 2010 is in desperate need for a gasoline engine solution however I am assured that they are working on that. Now to my surprise, and not too removed from the participant's questions in my seminar in Orlando, we spoke about front mounted diesel engines. I began my presentation by outlining the properties and benefits of the new W16D front mounted diesel engine and those were well received. The attendees were all very much interested in improving their economy by as much as 70%. These numbers are not imaginary and were in fact achieved by Damon Coach while testing their new Avanti.

WCC is a Navistar Company and it just so happens that International Truck and Engine make a great many diesel engines I am told. It is only logical that we see this evolution since gas engines at the moment are challenged in these large machines. A MaxxForce 7 engine producing 230HP at 630lb/ft of torque maybe exactly what the doctor ordered.

I am sure that a lot of gas owners are going to be wanting to remain with gas power for obvious reasons. How well the new Ds will test and run is something that I hope to get a first hand opportunity to test drive as soon as possible. Once I get behind the wheel you folks will be the first to know how that went.

I have iRV2 Editorial Press credentials which will allow me access to this Industry Only Show. Equipped with a camera and a steno pad I'll do my best to provide you folks with the best information that I can compile. I will be on the road beginning Monday. I am really excited about what might be out there to kick the tires on at the RVIA Show! Stay tuned folks .....
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Mike;

Thanks for the post. It sure sounds exciting. I for sure will be looking for your following reports. Thanks for all that you do for us. Have a safe trip.

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Sounds like the UFO may not have much of a future.
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Thanks, Mike. Have fun at the show. Ya do good work.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by -Gramps-:
Sounds like the UFO may not have much of a future. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am also surprised that Driver didn't mention the UFO
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by max49:
I am also surprised that Driver didn't mention the UFO </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Max, I'm only reporting the news, not making it up. Do not discount the UFO yet. For my money, it's still a great driving and handling RV chassis.

The UFO was always slated for a MaxxForce 7 engine and I expect this will come to pass. I don't see why it wouldn't. The only challenge that I would say may exist would be cost. For the first quarters in Model Year 2009 we may be looking at OEMs sharpening their pencils if the economy doesn't turn around.

I will be reporting on this as well when in Louisville. The R22 rear engine UFO chassis is what I believe a lot of people would like to see on the road. Much the same properties as the bigger R26 but less cost.
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Man, is Workhorse totally backwards or what…Diesel engines in front and Gas engines in the back? I like companies that are not afraid to try something different.

The UFO designation is totally messed up because it is looking like Workhorse is never going to produce a UFO (Universal Fuel Option) with a diesel engine. Maybe UFO stands for Unusual Form Option.

Looking forward to your report Driver.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Full-Timers:
Man, is Workhorse totally backwards or what…Diesel engines in front and Gas engines in the back? I like companies that are not afraid to try something different. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Full-Timers, We may be looking at the sunset regarding gasoline engines on the Workhorse chassis however that in of itself will be made clear to me later this week or early next week.

The UFO in my opinion remains a Universal Fuel Option chassis. Who's to say that it wouldn't be able to support any type of engine that may become available at any time in the future.

It doesn't take Workhorse long at all to come up to speed in product and development since they are a small company that can move quickly without heavy management overhead like the BIG3 or others.

Question also looks like what will Ford be doing in MY 2009 if WCC is going diesel. NAV builds the Powerstroke for Ford Motors. What a circle that's going to be. As far as I know, WCC will still have the Allison 6 speed.

BIG Fords also use the Allison as the TorqueShift just does not get the job done. OK - Now, How small "is" the RV Business?

PS: About that Powerstroke ....
With its 6.4L displacement and dual-sequential turbochargers, the 6.4L Power Stroke® V8 Turbo Diesel cranks out a maximum 350 horsepower and 650 lb.-ft. of torque.

It might happen that the conservative numbers we see in the preliminary release may change. We'll see for sure when Press Release comes out or at the Press Conference in Louisville.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The R22 rear engine UFO chassis is what I believe a lot of people would like to see on the road. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Count me as one of those! But so far, no coach has been announced I really hoped to get one before they run out of gas engines. ED
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">"Driver:" It is only logical that we see this evolution since gas engines at the moment are challenged in these large machines. A MaxxForce 7 engine producing 230HP at 630lb/ft of torque maybe exactly what the doctor ordered.
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I hope Navistar's not implying this is their power/torque choice for class A engines. Even 300-HP is not enough. All the other Diesel Chassis' manufacturer's upgraded the HP/Torque from these numbers long ago due to complaints about power. This is especially true for the higher elevations like we have out west.
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Hmmm and Hrrumph!!!

So the gas 8.1 is entering the "sunset"? Will they be phased out after '09 production year?

How about a chart to compare the diesels DriVer?

Lets see, there's the Maxxforce 5, the 7, the DT, the 9, the 10, the Powerstroke Ford and the new DuraStar hybrid diesel electric. Altho these are clean-burners and have better-than-ever mileage, I'm not so sure I want to pay the higher fuel & maintenance costs...

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Maybe I am missing something but a FRED doesn't appeal to me much. I guess it's good that I bought my GAS UFO when I did...they don't look like they will be available much longer fresh off the line anyway. With the demise of the 8.1, what gas engine can take it's place? We UFO owners are now an even more exclusive (nice word for ODD) bunch of rvers. Its kind of weird talking to Holiday Rambler tech service..I tell them what kind of coach I have and they say "What? We made a rear gas coach? I didn't know that!"

Ed you may not be able to get the 22 UFO but there are big deals out there for the 26.
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