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Old 08-24-2007, 01:48 PM   #1
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I have been reading posts from Driver, about useing the Napa Gold 1060 one quart oil filter. I went to Napa to get one and the parts man said that there is a better one, It is a Napa Gold 1794 two quart oil filter. Is the two quart filter better than the one quart? or is it personnel preference.
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I have been reading posts from Driver, about useing the Napa Gold 1060 one quart oil filter. I went to Napa to get one and the parts man said that there is a better one, It is a Napa Gold 1794 two quart oil filter. Is the two quart filter better than the one quart? or is it personnel preference.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RattlenRam:
I have been reading posts from Driver, about useing the Napa Gold 1060 one quart oil filter. I went to Napa to get one and the parts man said that there is a better one, It is a Napa Gold 1794 two quart oil filter. Is the two quart filter better than the one quart? or is it personnel preference. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I get a kick out of some people when they say their filter is "better".

Its a personal preference, and I use the OEM AC-Delco PF454 as Chevrolet recommends for the 8.1 liter engine.

There is a guy on here (do a search) that swears by the 2 quart filters.....
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> There is a guy on here (do a search) that swears by the 2 quart filters..... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That would probably be me. I like the extra filter material and the 1.5 qts of extra oil.

If you think that the PF454 is all that is needed then why do they use a 2 quart filter on the GM truck line. Lets take it one step further. Get rid of all GM filters except the PF454 and use it on a GM products... It's called economy of scale. It probably boils do to $$, space available and what is minimum to do the job.

As to who's filter is the best... that's personal choice. I like WIX.

If you have some time and a few extra $$ go buy about 1 of every brand you can find of PF 454 and cut them a part. I did this once and you will be surprised that there is not a hill of beans difference in any of them. In many cases there are made be the same company, just a different color and logo.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by oemtech:
If you think that the PF454 is all that is needed then why do they use a 2 quart filter on the GM truck line. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I've checked the manufacturer's oil filter matrix and I have found nothing that indicates that a 2 quart oil filter is standard equipment on General Motors L18 engines from 3500 to 5500 series trucks.

The matrix indicates that the PF-454 is the filter that they specify.

Now about that NAPA guy, that comment he made was laughable. A NAPA guy tells you that their 1794 filter is better than their 1060 is unbelievable.

Item#: FIL1794

Price: $13.29

Attributes:
Features & Benefits:NAPA Gold Oil Filters Hold 45% More Dirt + Last 30% Longer Than Other Leading Competitive Brands.
Features & Benefits:Two Quart Version Of NAPA # 1061 Or # 1060
Style:Spin-On Lube Filter
Media Type:Cellulose
Flow Rate:9 To 11 GPM
Height (Inches):7.822
Height (mm):198.68mm
O.D. (Inches):3.674
O.D. (mm):93.32mm
Thread Size (inches):13/16-16
Gasket O.D. (Inches):3.444
Gasket O.D. (mm):87.48mm
Gasket I.D. (Inches):3.1
Gasket I.D. (mm):78.74mm
Gasket Thickness (Inches):0.26
Gasket Thickness (mm):6.6mm

Item#: FIL1060

Price: $5.99

Attributes:
Features & Benefits:T-03 Glass Enhanced Media - Best Efficiency + Capacity In Industry; Steel Coil Spring; Spiral Wound Center Tube for Industry Leading Strength
Features & Benefits - 2:Silicon Anti-Drain Back Valve - Industry Leading Life
Features & Benefits - 3:Holds 45% More Dirt
Last 30% Longer Than Other Leading Brands
Style:Spin-On Lube Filter
Media Type:Cellulose
Flow Rate:9 to 11 GPM
Height (Inches):5.178
Height (mm):131.52mm
O.D. (Inches):3.66
O.D. (mm):92.96mm
Thread Size (inches):13/16-16
Gasket O.D. (Inches):3.444
Gasket O.D. (mm):87.48mm
Gasket I.D. (Inches):3.1
Gasket I.D. (mm):78.74mm

The difference is all in the price and personally a Gold 1060 is more than enough oil filter and the NAPA guy should have told you that. Buy 2 - 1060s and save one for your next oil change.
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Driver: I don't think the napa guy mean't the two quart would filter better, but that it would hold more oil and help the engine run cooler. I can't say for sure, but I think that's what he mean't.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RattlenRam:
Driver: I don't think the napa guy mean't the two quart would filter better, but that it would hold more oil and help the engine run cooler. I can't say for sure, but I think that's what he mean't. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Once all the oil achieves its operational range the only thing that is really going to affect the cooling of the motor oil to any significant degree is the oil cooler and engine speed. I wonder if he had some type of data that he was basing this on or intuition?

If 1 quart of oil additional in an internal combustion engine made a significant difference in oil temperature I would be very surprised. If there is any differential it would be so small as the be negligible.

The mass of engine oil is going to retain its heat until the oil hits the fan!
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Mike I didn't mean just the L18..

Here is a partial list of GM engines that use a 2 qt filter.

Make Model Engine
BLUE BIRD+Buses Commercial Bus w/Chevrolet (7.0L) Engine
BLUE BIRD+Buses STC3904 w/Chevrolet (7.0L) Engine
BLUE BIRD+Buses TC1000 w/Chevrolet (7.0L) Engine
BLUE BIRD+Buses TC2000 w/Chevrolet (7.0L) Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Buses B6000 w/V8 350 (5.7L) Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Buses B6000 w/V8 366 (6.0L) Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Buses B6000 w/V8 427 (7.0L) Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Buses B7000 w/V8 366 (6.0L) Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Buses B7000 w/V8 427 (7.0L) Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) 60 Series w/GMC V8 350 (5.7L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) 60 Series w/GMC V8 366 (6.0L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) 60 Series w/GMC V8 427 (7.0L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) 60 Series Lopro w/GMC V8 366 (6.0L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) 60 Series Lopro w/GMC V8 427 (7.0L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) 65 Series w/V8 366 (6.0L) Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) 65 Series w/V8 366 (6.0L) TBI Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) 65 Series w/V8 427 (7.0L) Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) 70 Series w/GMC V8 366 (6.0L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) 70 Series w/GMC V8 427 (7.0L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) 70 Series w/GMC V8 454 (7.4L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) 80 Series w/GMC V8 427 (7.0L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) 80 Series w/V8 427 (7.0L) Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) C5000 w/V8 350 (5.7L) Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) C5000 w/V8 366 (6.0L) Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) C5500 Kodiak w/GMC V8 366 (6.0L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) C5500 Kodiak w/GMC V8 427 (7.0L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) C5500 Kodiak w/GMC V8 454 (7.4L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) C5500 Topkick w/GMC V8 366 (6.0L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) C5500 Topkick w/GMC V8 427 (7.0L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) C5500 Topkick w/GMC V8 454 (7.4L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) C6000 w/6-292 (4.8L) Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) C6000 w/V8 350 (5.7L) Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) C6000 w/V8 366 (6.0L) Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) C6000 w/V8 427 (7.0L) Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) C6500 Kodiak w/GMC V8 366 (6.0L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) C6500 Kodiak w/GMC V8 427 (7.0L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) C6500 Kodiak w/GMC V8 454 (7.4L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) C6500 Topkick w/GMC V8 366 (6.0L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) C6500 Topkick w/GMC V8 427 (7.0L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) C6500 Topkick w/GMC V8 454 (7.4L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) C7000 w/V8 366 (6.0L) Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) C7000 w/V8 427 (7.0L) Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) C7000 w/V8 454 (7.4L) Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) C7500 Kodiak w/GMC V8 366 (6.0L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) C7500 Kodiak w/GMC V8 427 (7.0L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) C7500 Kodiak w/GMC V8 454 (7.4L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) C7500 Topkick w/GMC V8 366 (6.0L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) C7500 Topkick w/GMC V8 427 (7.0L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) C7500 Topkick w/GMC V8 454 (7.4L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) C8500 Kodiak w/GMC V8 366 (6.0L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) C8500 Kodiak w/GMC V8 427 (7.0L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) C8500 Kodiak w/GMC V8 454 (7.4L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) C8500 Topkick w/GMC V8 366 (6.0L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) C8500 Topkick w/GMC V8 427 (7.0L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) C8500 Topkick w/GMC V8 454 (7.4L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) Motor Homes w/V8 350 (5.7L) Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) Motor Homes w/V8 454 (7.4L) Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) T5500 w/GMC V8 366 (6.0L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) T6 w/V8 366 (6.0L) Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) T6500 w/GMC V8 366 (6.0L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) T6500 w/GMC V8 454 (7.4L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) T7 w/V8 366 (6.0L) Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) T7500 w/GMC V8 366 (6.0L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) T7500 w/GMC V8 454 (7.4L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) T8500 w/GMC V8 454 (7.4L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) W3500 w/GMC V8 350 (5.7L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) W4500 w/GMC V8 350 (5.7L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) W6 Series w/GMC V8 350 (5.7L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) W6 Series w/GMC V8 366 (6.0L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) W6 Series w/GMC V8 427 (7.0L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) W6 Series Tiltmaster w/GMC V8 366 (6.0L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) W7 Series w/GMC V8 350 (5.7L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) W7 Series w/GMC V8 366 (6.0L) Gas Engine
CHEVROLET/GMC+Trucks (Also Refer To Light Truck Section) W7 Series w/GMC V8 427 (7.0L) Gas Engine
ISUZU+Trucks NPR w/GMC V8 6.0L Gas Engine
ISUZU+Trucks NPR-HD w/GMC V8 6.0L Gas Engine

Why don't they use the PF 454?

OBTW - If you put a 5 in place of the FIL you have the WIX number.. I wonder... naah
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by oemtech:
Mike I didn't mean just the L18.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>That's very nice of you to offer all that information however I still don't see any L19s in the listing.

After all let's address our immediate need first and get a filter that's specifically for the engine that we are using in our motorhomes.

I have graduated from a 454 to a 1060 and that's a "BIG" step for me just because I didn't want to get left out in the cold while you guys are using gigundo oil filters.

The 1060 is more than enough oil filter and the PF454 is adequate to the task.

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Not trying to change the subject but it seems most every here likes Wix filters. Are all Wix filters made in China?
I just put a new Baldwin air filter on my '04 F-150 company truck and for the first time I noticed it was made in China. Baldwin filters are made by Wix. I don't think their oil filters are marked, where they're made.
It seems like every thing is made in China.
I like the 2 qt filter better for the same reasons OEM Tech does.
Just common sense, if you got the room , bigger is better, 7 qts of oil is better than 5 1/2 qts. 496 cu. inches is bigger than many diesels that hold 4 times more oil, and the 8.1 revs a lot higher.
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All Wix filters are not made in China. There are mfg. plants in NC that make air and fluid filters.

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Just an interesting aside on this debate. We bought a new 1996 Dodge Ram 3500 dually to tow our first 5th wheel. The 488 CID V-10 in this truck originally used a V-10 exclusive high capacity oil filter (the "2 quart" filter, if you will). After about 2-3 years, I went to my Dodge dealer to pick up a Mopar filter and found that Mopar had discontinued the large filter and now used the same smaller (call it a "1 quart") filter as used on the 318 and 360 V-8 engines. In this case, the engineers originally decided that the larger engine needed the additional surface area (to reduce pressure drop at the higher flows and to provide higher debris holding capacity) but were eventually overriden by the beancounters and inventory control personnel who wanted to eliminate the higher cost/lower sales volume large V-10 oil filter from the Mopar parts system.

The larger filter was (and may still be) available in the aftermarket.

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I am inclined to agree that the larger filter will result in slightly higher oil pressure in the engine, thus increasing lubrication, Additional cooling will also be a benefit but I doubt you will be able to measure the difference (The additional cooling is simply a "Square inches of can" thing) the extra oil in the filter, likely not a benefit to anyone other than BIG OIL but won't hurt other than your budget or the oil change place's profit margin so go for it.

The greatest danger I see, and this is only on selected vehicles, is if the larger filter hangs down farther you could wind up with non-jeep-4x4 syndrom...

Jeep, put it's transfer case up above the rails, thus had to make different axle halves. Some other companies put the transfer case below the tranny so the right and left halves of the axles were identical.

Till you ran over a rock,, then that transfer case, dangeling down like it was.. Was-not, any more, it was "Gone like the Schwin" in the original Muppet movie.

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Another reason to change to a bigger filter in our 8.1's is because the bigger filters are easier to reach and change. I've heard of people on this forum completely crushing their filter, trying to get it off
Too bad Wix or any of the aftermarket filter companies would'nt start making the 'one of a kind' fuel filter for the WH. Then they'd be available and affordable. But with my luck, WH may discontinue using the oddball, then it'll just get harder to find.
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