WORKHORSE CUSTOM CHASSIS SERVICE BULLETIN - 60701-T

[Ultra RV Products]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FrontRangeRVer:
If you throw a rod in your engine and have the ultrapower installed, who's fault do you believe GM will say it is? <span class="ev_code_BLUE">Then our product liability would take care of it.Just as I stated previously.</span>

Do you have enough money to fight GM? Will the money spent be worth it? You going to go from dealer to dealer if one refuses to work on it?

Or are you going to just pay the bill from your own pocket....

Its your dime........ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Photog]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brazels RV Performance:
Bill,

How many miles do you have since your coach was ULTRAPOWERED? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mike,

I think I'm right at 20,000 miles.

Bill

[Ultra RV Products]

Davmcln,

No they have not threatened us with pulling our service center from us.They also have no known failure's from our product's.Workhorse makes great chassis,far better in my opinion than the alternative.I believe the UFO is going to revolutionize the industry & it's clear that Workhorse will be the leader.We ahve an outstanding rating with Workhorse & We plan on keeping it that way.I have a call into the national service manager regarding a couple of things now,I'm just waitng for a return call.

[DriVer]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FrontRangeRVer:
Just curious if DriVer has talked to Workhorse about this bulletin and his endorsement of the ultrapower.....or if Workhorse has talked to him.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Now wait a durned minit! I'm just trying to keep everyone headed in the same direction ... "progress" on the thread and let the facts steer the course of the conversation.

I put up the TSI/TSB that I was sent so that you all could be informed and make a decision. The decision is however up to the individual. It's beyond my pay-grade to make up your mind for you. I will however without a doubt direct anyone's attention to the published TSB in the event that I am asked.

Yes I use Ultrapower. I would have been negligent not to and still be able to participate in this thread without 1st hand knowledge of what it's all about.

If you look over my "Original" chassis enhancements post which was previously featured and dropped you would clearly see by definition that just about everything I pursued might be considered a modification. It's going to be difficult to convince folks to remove their track bars, steering dampers, shock absorbers, etc. etc. etc. (The King & I ). It's going to be like trying to take someones' firearm when they might offer in response that you can have my gun when you pry my dead fingers off the handle. People are not going to readily stop using after market products because there are millions if not billions of dollars invested in that segment of the automotive and or RV industry. They even have an association, SEMA.

That said if you install an NOx kit on a Workhorse and pull a Hummer up to the Eisenhower Tunnel at full throttle and it blows up, unequivocally I would or anyone else would call that owner a dope and hand him a broom.

If you go to Auto Zone or Advanced auto parts they wouldn't have a business if it weren't for after market parts.

The OEM or manufacturer of the chassis does indeed have a big dog in this fight. It is proper for them to publish in the clearest language possible what the company's policy is regarding the after market and the remedies that they will pursue if a covered part fails due to an installed after market component.

"It has always been that way!" I don't see where the policy has changed one degree over the past 50 years. What I do see is a reminder for us all to be aware of what the company's policy is in the event that a covered component fails due to a after market component whatever that component might be.

If you put a crack in your differential because the track bar is too tight ... You loose control of your motorhome because an after market shock absorber was not installed correctly ... the list goes on and Ultrapower is only 1 item on that list.

Brazel's isn't the only company that does this type of work. You don't have to look far, Camping World must make an excellent profit margin in this business or they wouldn't be in it. There are many other legitimate business out there that are also servicing RV chassis in the after market including installation of Banks equipment et al.

The TSB was written and issued to notify everyone what the company's position is and without a doubt we are now aware of Workhorse's and GM's position. If you look you will also see similar documents that have been published by Ford and Daimler-Chrysler, etc. I'm sure if you look hard enough Hyundai has the same policy.

[Spoonman]

Driver,
Thank you
It was getting quiet around here, but you sure have stirred the pot and got it cookin` again.

[DriVer]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FrontRangeRVer:
Did Workhorse tell you to stop endorsing the Ultrapower since you are the Workhorse Lead representative?

And is yours/iRV2.com's endorsing of that product the reason that Workhorse came out with this strong statement against ECM programming?
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>I don't know why all of a sudden I'm on trial here but the answers are No & No.

I do feel flattered that you would think that a company like GM and Workhorse would launch a TSI/TSB on account of what I or what is said here on iRV2.com.

The TSB came about for much better reasons than we have have the ability to determine the reasons for the announcement. The WCC engineers, technical service members and the National Service Director are the authorities that issue the TSB in conjunction with their counterparts at GM.

[Ultra RV Products]

I just received my return phone call from the MAN,this statement was NOT directed at anyone in particular.In fact he said it's the same policy it's always been since day #1.They just wanted to reiterate it because everyone is looking for better fuel mileage with the high cost of fuel.He also mentioned & I double checked,that Workhorse will deny any claims related to failures when E85 fuel is used.The 8.1l engine was never designed to run with it.Maybe Driver can post that one,it's bulletin #60702-T

[Tom N]

This subject thread has been shut down on rv.net.

Much more democratic here on iRV2!!

-Tom

[DriVer]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tom N:
Much more democratic here on iRV2!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>That's because we provide the best possible information. We're pleased to make sure that you have the entire story, pro, con or indifferent along with all the discussions between participants that accompany the topic.

[Marty & Yani]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tom N:
This subject thread has been shut down on rv.net.

Much more democratic here on iRV2!!

-Tom </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
That might have been my fault
Marty

[max49]

I just asked one simple question last night and there's been 3 more pages of replies since.
Is everybody mad at me and ignoring me?
I'll ask again, OK?

Are you guys really surprised that adding HP and torque from a aftermarket company , not endorsed by WH, most certainly could void your warranty if you have a drivetrane failure? If so, where have you been all your life? Now, what can you modify and still be covered by the original warranty? Nothing that I know of unless you fool them into not knowing it was modified. Can you pick up 3000 lbs and break the 2000 lb chain and expect them to replace it? Not unless you lie about it, can you?
The Ultra power may be a fine product but if you want WH to guarantee it, it's gonna cost a lot more.
I'm not a wordsmith but this is just plain elementry common sense.
What if you put a "full race cam" in your 8.1 ? Do you think WH should say "OK, you blew up the engine so we'll give you another one to blow up"

[Marty & Yani]

What in the heck is in the water in Colorado
Max, there might be a reason why someone doesn't answer your question , cause it has been answered over and over and over again. Enough said.
We are going to modify our RV, trucks, cars, and motorcycles until the end of time, so stop already.
Marty

[rvjer]

Ok, Here is my "political spin" on after market upgrades. In Nov.2002 I bought a 36' M/H on a W-22 chassis. In Jan. 2003 with only 500 miles on it I had added Koni adjustable shocks, Davis front trac bar, Henderson's rear trac bar, IPD front and rear sway bars, Blue Ox Tru-Center steering stabilizer and a K&N air filter. In July 2006 Brazel's added the Ultra power ECM upgrade. In Nov. 2006 I had Redlands RV do an ECM update to solve a slight ping problem.

To date I have had NO problems with ANY of the upgrades. Yes, my coach is long out of warranty as I would guess a lot of the coaches that Brazel's have done are. I am VERY HAPPY with all of the upgrades. To me that is all that matters!! If I was worried about warranty problems I would have waited till my warranty was up. IF I had a 100,000 mile warranty maybe I might have thought twice about the upgrades. But They have all worked so well my wife would kill me if I took them off (she does about 40 % of the driving).
This is my opinion only, If anyone disagrees with me that is their right. But If someone wants to call me a fool for installing aftermarket parts because the "Manufacturer" says it will void my warranty, who cares, I am long out of warranty anyway. In my opinion anyone who thinks he can not improve the way their coach handles is sadly mistaken but that is his right to do as he pleases. I prefer to drive a coach that handles better then stock and has more power to the rear wheels then stock.

[knebrdr]

Hello all,
On page seven I asked what the EO# is for the Ultra Power upgrade. Does it have one or am I being ignored?
Randy