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Old 10-23-2020, 12:54 PM   #1
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New Ford Engine

Thanks to the bellyaching by everyone about the fact that the V-10 engine doesn't have enough power, too noisy, burns too much gas, blah blah blah to infinity, Ford brought out a new engine. Seems it has some growing pains. Now, all the new owners are complaining over and over again. Well, you got your wish. The V-10 eingine is bulletproof and as reliable as any engine can get. So now you have a new one-same power, same gas mileage, same noise. As a comparison:

V-10: 362 HP, peak torque at 3250 RPM.
V-8: 350 HP, peak torque at 3900 RPM.

Wanna go back to the GM 8.1? Guess what? It burned oil, leaked and burned up spark plug wires.
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Thanks to the bellyaching by everyone about the fact that the V-10 engine doesn't have enough power, too noisy, burns too much gas, blah blah blah to infinity, Ford brought out a new engine. Seems it has some growing pains. Now, all the new owners are complaining over and over again. Well, you got your wish. The V-10 eingine is bulletproof and as reliable as any engine can get. So now you have a new one-same power, same gas mileage, same noise. As a comparison:

V-10: 362 HP, peak torque at 3250 RPM.
V-8: 350 HP, peak torque at 3900 RPM.

Wanna go back to the GM 8.1? Guess what? It burned oil, leaked and burned up spark plug wires.
More proof they seriously need to get a Diesel fitted in there . The Cummins is a Million Mile Motor with Stump pulling power at much lower RPM's
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Old 10-23-2020, 01:24 PM   #3
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You can likely blame the EPA for the demise of the V10.
If Ford made changes due to bellyaching, well, that would be a lot of changes, yearly...lol.
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The E450 is also a Ford Motorhome Chassis. It has only had the 2-valve V10.

Its specs are 305 hp @ 4,250 rpm and 420 lb.-ft. torque @ 3,250 rpm.

The new V8 in the E450 is offered in two tunes:

300 hp @ 3,750 rpm and 425 lb.-ft. torque @ 3,250 rpm
350 hp @ 3,900 rpm and 468 lb.-ft. torque @ 3,900 rpm

I think Class C owners would and will be pleased with the new V8.

Time will tell.
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Wanna go back to the GM 8.1? Guess what? It burned oil, leaked and burned up spark plug wires.
My GM 8.1 has 80,000 mile on it and has never burned oil, never leaked and I am still running the original plug wires.
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My GM 8.1 has 80,000 mile on it and has never burned oil, never leaked and I am still running the original plug wires.
LOL ! You must use it in the Bermuda Triangle of towing
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I don’t think Ford is listening to the RV owning public. Whole lot more trucks on the road with the V10 and now the V8 than class A or C RVs. Besides we’re not the buyers the house builders are.
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Thanks to the bellyaching by everyone about the fact that the V-10 engine doesn't have enough power, too noisy, burns too much gas, blah blah blah to infinity, Ford brought out a new engine. Seems it has some growing pains. Now, all the new owners are complaining over and over again. Well, you got your wish. The V-10 eingine is bulletproof and as reliable as any engine can get. So now you have a new one-same power, same gas mileage, same noise. As a comparison:

V-10: 362 HP, peak torque at 3250 RPM.
V-8: 350 HP, peak torque at 3900 RPM.

Wanna go back to the GM 8.1? Guess what? It burned oil, leaked and burned up spark plug wires.


The 8.1 that I had didn’t burn oil, never leaked a drop of oil and never burned a single wire in the near 50K miles we used it. It was a great motor/transmission setup and served us well until we recently updated to a DP.

The new Ford wire issues sound more like a subcontractor screwup than an issue with the motor itself. From everything I have seen, the new setup is a nice update/upgrade.
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I saw a video last week on YouTube and a guy with his new Ford truck V-8 7.3L has a front crank shaft oil leak, this seal has gone bad at 8,000 miles not to mention the spark plug wire issue.

I wont be trading in my 08 V-10 Bounder anytime soon, she has been very reliable..

Besides 6.8L to 7.3L is not much bigger in my book.

0.5L more cant do much for more power..
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Newmar is on to something with the FED Canyon Star. The motor has 700 ft lbs torque.
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V-10: 362 HP, peak torque at 3250 RPM.
V-8: 350 HP, peak torque at 3900 RPM.
Uhh the V10 has 320hp, oh your thinking of the pre 2016 V10 that was chassis certified vs dyno certified...

The 7.3L V8 chassis certified as in the super duty is 430hp!!!

Things change get over it, The 7.3 is more compact and can put out more power while being a simpler design. No need for a special 2v version for the E-series due to size.

Yeah I am sure Ford would have made the V10 for 100 more years if it wasn't for our bellyaching jeez...
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More proof they seriously need to get a Diesel fitted in there . The Cummins is a Million Mile Motor with Stump pulling power at much lower RPM's
Lets add at least 1000lbs more weight and $15,000 for diesel engine, emissions and genset, minimum, so we can pulls stumps with our MH, no thanks.

You can go buy a Canyon Star Fred this year, cost 30-40k more than the gas one did, chassis has 4k more GVWR and weighs 4k more too so net zero, sure its nice though.
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Newmar is on to something with the FED Canyon Star. The motor has 700 ft lbs torque.
The problem is the price difference is pretty substantial. The power and weight numbers look pretty good with GVWR at 30,000 but the cost that Newmar is listing will drive a lot of potential owners to the Ford chassis. Starting out at $233,870 and going up from there verses $178,150 and increasing.
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Uhh the V10 has 320hp, oh your thinking of the pre 2016 V10 that was chassis certified vs dyno certified...

The 7.3L V8 chassis certified as in the super duty is 430hp!!!

Things change get over it, The 7.3 is more compact and can put out more power while being a simpler design. No need for a special 2v version for the E-series due to size.

Yeah I am sure Ford would have made the V10 for 100 more years if it wasn't for our bellyaching jeez...
Wrong the super duty Truck will have that higher HP/Torque rating but the V-8 in the F-53 will be rated at 350 HP and 468 lbs of torque at 3900 rpm's, lower HP than my 08 F-53 at the same torque..

Nothing really changes from the V-10 to the V-8 in the F-53s as I see it..

https://www.ford.com/commercial-truc...f53-motorhome/
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