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02-17-2023, 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by bruce91
I had the exact michelin tires on my coach, XRV 235/80/R22.5 5 1/2 years old. I was at a campground for a week in 2021 when after 3 days sitting still...... BOOM the right front tire exploded. It was on the wall between the rim and tread so no accidental side damage. Scared the bejesus out of us. I got the coach from someone who had a barn and i always covered them and used 303. I bought the toyo 154 245/80/r22.5 which was the correct replacement for the michelins. I bought them thru motorhometires.com a supporter on this site. They came to my storage yard and installed all 6 in about 2hrs. Very profesional and prompt. I had centramatrics so wasn't concerned about balance. I would use them again in a heart beat.
As for the ride difference my perceived impression was they rode bit smoother.
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Somethings not adding up here. It sounds like you bought a 2009 coach in 2015, and had a tire go bad in 2021. Unless you changed the tires after you bought it the tires were 12 years old, and 2 years beyond their expected lifespan. If you purchased the tires in 2015 or later, they should have still been under warranty.
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02-17-2023, 06:38 AM
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Just a point of fact-- most comments on ride between old tires and new tires are a bit misleading.
Not the same as comparing two different tires-- both new.
Rubber stiffens with age, so virtually all new tires will ride better than aged ones.
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02-17-2023, 08:00 AM
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Ford Super Duty Owner
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Lowell, Arkansas
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I used Southern Tire Mart for several reasons. They said they had 6 tires with manufacturer dates close together. Some of the other tire places either didn't have enough tires to get them closer or just wouldn't try. My local TM shop did that to me. Sorry but if you won't go that extra mile why would your shop workers go the extra mile. They seem to forget who is paying the bill.
Six tires balanced, with new stems was $2,500 back in 2/14/2020. Yes I had centramatics already I asked them to use the balance machine to get each tire close and I'd rely the Centramatics to do the rest. That's exactly what they did. I was allowed to watch them work and none of the tires required much in the way of lead weights.
The TOYO tire is not usually one of the suggested RV tires other larger shops recommended. One truck shop told me there are 4 tires that account for most of the tires chosen by RV owners, Michelin, Brimstone, Goodyear, and I can't remember the 4th but it was not TOYO.
I was told by the big truck dealer the GY RV tire cost $100 more per tire based on the amount of UV protective chemicals used in the rubber formula was greater. Was it worth an extra $100 per tire? Maybe maybe not!!!! My RV is under roof when we are not traveling. Most times we camp in places that have a lot of trees. Based on those facts along with tire life, miles traveled we didn't need the $600 extra UV protection.
Just like with a lot of products folks buy. Once a decent reputation is developed a manufacturer may raise prices based just on that reputation. Sometimes the reputation is warranted and sometimes may not. We all know how that works. That often makes it more difficult for another maybe better designed product to break into those markets. Most of us DIY,er's believe Snap-On makes the best tools. Well they do make great tools but I've used many, many brands and managed to make them work as well. Quality steel makes a big difference with tools and quality steel costs more money.
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02-20-2023, 07:09 PM
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National RV Owners Club
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Originally Posted by AKIQPilot
Yes, that is the correct tire to replace the Michelin XRV's with. I replaced the Michelins on our Adventurer in 2017 with Toyo M-154's in 245/75R22.5. The Toyos ride way better than the Michelins. I used Dynamic balance beads and no wheel weights. I've added 5psi to one tire one time in 6 years. The Toyo M-154's are great tires.
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Same here. I like the Toyo tires better, but it took a month or two for the smell to go away...strange....
Al
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02-21-2023, 11:44 AM
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Tiffin Owners Club
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Just replaced my 255 80R 22.5 Michelins with Toyos. Definitely a smoother, quieter ride. I also had a vibration that was very noticeable between 40 and 55mph - no problem at 65mph. I replaced the rear duals (Michelins) with Toyo's, and now no vibration! Tire guys said older tires sometimes start to go out-of-round. If the vibration is more noticeable when the tires are hot, it is likely an out-of-round issue developing.
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04-01-2023, 11:21 AM
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Well, I decided on Toyos.
Decent price online and oldest date is 36th week of ‘22.
Shipping directly to the dealer and I’ll bring it there. $85 for balancing, removal and reinstall.
Should be in this week. Just in time for me to hit the road the week after. Hoping they balance them well.
I have Tyron bands on the front and debating to leave them on or not. Main reason is that the balance never seem to be right after they were installed.
Thoughts?
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04-11-2023, 05:37 AM
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Toyo M154 vs Michelin XRV
I had the Toyos installed yesterday. Why it took 8 hours to do I don't know and won't venture to guess. I'm just glad I had a place I could get it done and they did it right.
Only 26 miles to get home but I noticed a big difference already.
My vibration in the steering wheel is all gone. I had previously tried a number of times and different methids to get rid of the vibration. No go on the Michelins including Centramatics. Left the Centramatics on with the Toyos.
The ride is noticeably smoother. 80 and 95 PSI front and rear based on the Toyo inflation chart for my weights.
No smell on my tires except a normal rubber smell for new tires but not out of the norm IMO.
Tyrons also still on.
$2346 for the tires delivered with taxes to the installer.
$612 for the installation.
All tires dated the same 3622
Way cheaper than the Michelins would have cost.
Time will tell if the hold up but as of toady I am satisfied with my decision to get the Toyos.
'16 Bounder 35K with Toyos 245/75R22.5 and no noticeable difference on the speedometer (vs the GPS I run) to the Michelins 235/80R22.5
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04-11-2023, 05:47 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by computerguy
My vibration in the steering wheel is all gone. I had previously tried a number of times and different methods to get rid of the vibration. No go on the Michelins including Centramatics.
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Balancing is only 1/2 of the "smooth" equation. A perfectly balanced egg-shaped tires (one with RUN-OUT) will not be smooth.
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04-11-2023, 10:03 PM
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Monaco Owners Club Ford Super Duty Owner
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Location: Kingsville TX
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What Wolfeboro said is correct, hence the term " road force balance" which mates the out of round wheel to the out of round tire, also takes into effect the "grip" the tire sees as it contacts the road as it goes around. Another term is load force balance. Just Google it, its interesting.
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