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06-15-2021, 10:11 PM
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DEF head issue
I left on a long trip in my 2019 Anthem and received warnings regarding DEF head failure. I called Spartan who helpfully asked for photos of there error codes, which I provided. They told me that it appears that my DEF head unit is failing. They suggested that I return to a safe haven and park it until August or September when a new head unit "might" be available. Instead of a fantastic Entegra traveling machine I now have a several hundred thousand dollar useless coach. My wife and I planned a six week West USA tour this summer, now it looks like a "no-go". Even if the whole engine blew I don't think it would take that long to repair/replace. Is this happening to other Entegra/Spartan owners. Can someone suggest a fix? Is there a "black market" for DEF head units? Is there a work around? Computer fix?
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06-15-2021, 10:13 PM
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Sounds like typical "Entegra/Spartan" care... :(
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06-15-2021, 10:41 PM
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Might check out Spartan irv2 forum right now with more information. Not just Spartan DEF problem.
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06-16-2021, 12:28 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by aza
I left on a long trip in my 2019 Anthem and received warnings regarding DEF head failure. I called Spartan who helpfully asked for photos of there error codes, which I provided. They told me that it appears that my DEF head unit is failing. They suggested that I return to a safe haven and park it until August or September when a new head unit "might" be available. Instead of a fantastic Entegra traveling machine I now have a several hundred thousand dollar useless coach. My wife and I planned a six week West USA tour this summer, now it looks like a "no-go". Even if the whole engine blew I don't think it would take that long to repair/replace. Is this happening to other Entegra/Spartan owners. Can someone suggest a fix? Is there a "black market" for DEF head units? Is there a work around? Computer fix?
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Yes, quite a few of them.
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Larry & Amy Beckner
Scottsdale, AZ
2022 Newmar Super Star 4061
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06-16-2021, 03:16 AM
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Entegra Owners Club
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: SW FL
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It looks like Spartan is now completely out of DEF heads, none left for Emergency situations. Many of us have been through this, me twice on new coaches. I spent a lot of hours researching your questions for "work arounds". I found nothing that would work. I hope you will join others that have filed a complaint with the NHTSA in hopes that we can get government involvement to this madness. Sorry your trip was ruined and for so long. Link for filing: https://www.irv2.com/forums/f258/def...sa-518276.html
Might try Joyce and see if she can pull any magic, if nothing else let her know that customers are not pleased and word is getting out about Spartan Chassis. After the radiator fiasco and now DEF heads, it will probably be my last Spartan Chassis motor home.
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Digital 2021 Cornerstone "B"
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06-16-2021, 04:39 AM
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My last Spartan chassis Motorcoach,,, maybe my last Entegra.... The only fix I know of right now is if you can get your spartan chassis Motorcoach into a dealer and trade it in for a quality built product....
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06-16-2021, 04:51 AM
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Well.... if it’s my last spartan chassis it would have to be my last Entegra 🥴....but, i’m not leaving yet I have a 2018 payed off.... But very frustrated
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06-16-2021, 05:05 AM
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Newmar Owners Club Spartan Chassis
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Has anyone affected by the DEF head issue gotten any reimbursement from Spartan for cancellation fees or other loss of use?
- Richard
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06-16-2021, 06:44 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RandDescape
Has anyone affected by the DEF head issue gotten any reimbursement from Spartan for cancellation fees or other loss of use?
- Richard
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LOL !
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06-16-2021, 09:21 AM
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Newmar Owners Club Ford Super Duty Owner
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Location: Florida
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There is lots of info regarding DEF head failures here on irv2. Just use the search at the top of the page. From what I read, it seems to be common enough and there is a definite shortage of replacement heads. If you are brave, you might try this: https://www.irv2.com/forums/f103/def...re-540696.html
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06-16-2021, 09:22 AM
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Newmar Owners Club Ford Super Duty Owner
Join Date: Oct 2020
Location: Florida
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There is lots of info regarding DEF head failures here on irv2. Just use the search at the top of the page. From what I read, it seems to be common enough and there is a definite shortage of replacement heads. If you are brave, you might try this: https://www.irv2.com/forums/f103/def...re-540696.html
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06-16-2021, 10:37 AM
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D20 has given you the rundown.
Short answer for you, no, you are not alone and the problem has increased dramatically in the past few months to a point where there are no replacement parts available, save for those who already are stranded with an engine shut-down. It is industry wide, not just Entegra, but seems to hit Spartan chassis more than others. No work arounds known. Once derate/shut-down hits, you're stuck.
Biggest uncertainty hits those in your situation where the codes are set but no de-rate or shut-down has yet happened, but you don't know when they will happen. Nor do the manufacturers. And they will happen. Cummins/Spartan/etc. have gotten to the point of giving the advice you received--park it and wait.
Sorry to say, you've just joined an ever-growing club of stranded and frustrated diesel owners.
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2004 Alpine 36FDDS
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06-16-2021, 11:51 AM
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One thing I found interesting is when Brett gave us the total number of def head failures in 18 months over 5 nirvc locations of 64. I realize if you’re one of those 64 it’s a big deal. However statistically 64 isn’t very many or should I say way less then I would have guessed for how many coaches are out there.
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06-16-2021, 12:34 PM
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Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by D20
There is lots of info regarding DEF head failures here on irv2. Just use the search at the top of the page. From what I read, it seems to be common enough and there is a definite shortage of replacement heads. If you are brave, you might try this: https://www.irv2.com/forums/f103/def...re-540696.html
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It's rather unlikely that the approach suggested in that thread is going to work. See my comments in this post:
https://www.irv2.com/forums/f103/def...ml#post5794083
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Scottsdale, AZ
2022 Newmar Super Star 4061
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