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Old 10-15-2021, 09:32 PM   #1
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10K Towing + Aluminum/Fiberglass Roof 2000-2008

I thought maybe there would be some value in crowd sourcing this information:

I'm looking for 36'+ RVs on 10K Towing rated chassis, e.g., Spartan (which typically have at least the 330hp ISC or 350 C7) -- So 10,000Lbs difference between GVWR and GCWR -- and have fiberglass or aluminum roofs.

Holiday Rambler Endeavor (Aluminum Roof but, all appear to have water damage behind driver seat)

Monaco Diplomat (Aluminum roof not aware of Achille's heel with these other than lack luster layout?)

I really like the Alfas but... just not sure I'm up for a rubber roof:
Alfa See Ya 2005+ and See Ya Gold (Pros: Basement air and Spartan Chassis, Cons: Rubber/TPO Roof and Alfa Pox)

I know some of the big fleetwoods are on heavy chassis but, I'm really looking for a lower maintenance roof.

Can you add to my list of heavy chassis with long lived roofs?
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Many Freightliner chassis have 10k towing or better - some 20k.

Lots or makes through the years here:

https://www.fcccrv.com/coaches/

And if you want good solid roof construction and good insulation, here’s the Newmar archive:

https://www.newmarcorp.com/owner-too...hures-archive/

Newmar brochures provide more specs and better descriptions of construction than most makes.

As you sift through the information, pay close attention to the transmission - thats usually the limiting factor. Avoid anything with a 2500MH if you want to tow 10k.
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National Tradewinds worth a look. Were available 37' some years, 10k rating, 350 hp Cummins ISC and built on the Country Coach Dynomax chassis. Fiberglass roofs on Nationals seem to hold up pretty well and cabinetry/construction very good quality.

Here's the 2004 brochure:

https://dreamfindersrv.com/Literatur...Specs-July.pdf
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Four models 34' thru 40' all have 10,000 lb towing capacity. All have one piece fiberglass roofs. 400 - 425 HP Cummins ISL standard in 2003 and later models.
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Holiday Rambler and Monaco are the same company. Kind of like GM's Buick and Oldsmobile. They used aluminum roofs for many years. You may have found one with a leak behind the driver's seat, but that is not indicative of them all, just one you may have found.

We had a 2005 36' Monaco Diplomat we bought new (model SKQ). It was probably the best motor home we ever owned and kept it for 10 years. It was a rocket at 36' (32K pounds) with a 400 ISL and a 15K tow rating.

In your search, I would be looking for a used Monaco around 2005 or newer. In late 2005, they went to the 400ISL in the Diplomat and above and the Holiday Rambler Endeavor and above. There were a LOT of them made, a quality coach and still available. About the only issue you'll find, is the roof line and upper cap paint will be bad, unless it has been repaired.

Monaco used it's own proprietary chassis called a Roadmaster. The Diplomat and Endeavor used an Roadmaster RR8R chassis, which meant it had 8 airbags and 8 shocks, 4 per axle. It's still a good chassis today.
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And if you want good solid roof construction and good insulation, here’s the Newmar archive:
I like the Mountain Aire... I'm not sure what's pulling the prices down on the newmars.

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National Tradewinds worth a look.
Not many for sale but worth watching, thanks.

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Alpine Coach.
Western RV I guess? They appear to be well out of price range but look pretty nice.

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You may have found one with a leak behind the driver's seat, but that is not indicative of them all, just one you may have found.
On the wall behind the driver's seat. I've seen not less than 5 with the damage -- even on a '98 model -- haven't seen one yet that didn't have it... I'm sure there must be some without, but there definitely appears to be an issue. There's posts about it on this forum even, and a poor guy on youtube documenting repairs on the surprise damage on a new purchase.
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Maybe check out Foretravel U270, U320, etc. from this age range, they should have a fiberglass roof, though I don't think they received higher towing ratings until about 2004 give or take.
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Holiday Rambler Endeavor (Aluminum Roof but, all appear to have water damage behind driver seat)

Monaco Diplomat (Aluminum roof not aware of Achille's heel with these other than lack luster layout?)
Diplomat and Endeavor are the same coach with minor trim/layout changes. Same construction, roof, sidewalls, etc.


Back around 2004 they were prone to roof leakage at the front cap seam - not exactly sure when that issue was resolved, but it was in later years.
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I thought maybe there would be some value in crowd sourcing this information:

I'm looking for 36'+ RVs on 10K Towing rated chassis, e.g., Spartan (which typically have at least the 330hp ISC or 350 C7) -- So 10,000Lbs difference between GVWR and GCWR -- and have fiberglass or aluminum roofs.
For the towing, lots to choose from once you get above the entry level diesels, which will be those with ISC, ISL, ISM or ISX engines. The upper tier Winnebago/Itascas, Tiffin Allegro Bus, Newmar Dutchstar/Mountainaire/Londonaire/Essex/etc, AmericanTradition/Eagle/Heritage, and the upper tier Momaco/HR diesels, to name a few (I make no attempt to list them all). And all of those will meet your roof criteria too.
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Hmm. I didn't see you mention a price range.
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For the towing, lots to choose from once you get above the entry level diesels, which will be those with ISC, ISL, ISM or ISX engines. The upper tier Winnebago/Itascas, Tiffin Allegro Bus, Newmar Dutchstar/Mountainaire/Londonaire/Essex/etc, AmericanTradition/Eagle/Heritage, and the upper tier Momaco/HR diesels, to name a few (I make no attempt to list them all). And all of those will meet your roof criteria too.
ISL is pretty much the dream at the moment. I was so opposed to rubber/tpo roofs that I ended up ignoring Win/Itasca... I don't really know the model lines.

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Hmm. I didn't see you mention a price range.
It's certainly pertinent information. It's safe to say that the big engine stuff is more than I'm looking to spend.

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Maybe check out Foretravel U270, U320, etc. from this age range, they should have a fiberglass roof, though I don't think they received higher towing ratings until about 2004 give or take.
Speaking of dollars and cents, it looks like even the U270 is a stretch for what I'm looking to spend -- although there's so few for sale it's hard to tell -- and then they appear to often have ISC power. U320 looks impressive though.
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Holiday Rambler and Monaco are the same company. Kind of like GM's Buick and Oldsmobile. They used aluminum roofs for many years. You may have found one with a leak behind the driver's seat, but that is not indicative of them all, just one you may have found.

We had a 2005 36' Monaco Diplomat we bought new (model SKQ). It was probably the best motor home we ever owned and kept it for 10 years. It was a rocket at 36' (32K pounds) with a 400 ISL and a 15K tow rating.

In your search, I would be looking for a used Monaco around 2005 or newer. In late 2005, they went to the 400ISL in the Diplomat and above and the Holiday Rambler Endeavor and above. There were a LOT of them made, a quality coach and still available. About the only issue you'll find, is the roof line and upper cap paint will be bad, unless it has been repaired.

Monaco used it's own proprietary chassis called a Roadmaster. The Diplomat and Endeavor used an Roadmaster RR8R chassis, which meant it had 8 airbags and 8 shocks, 4 per axle. It's still a good chassis today.
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