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WonderWander · 05-13-2022, 11:51 AM

Hi, thanks in advance.
I need to replace the 30 /20 breaker for 2004 Fleetwood Flair 33R
Original company / supplier is out of business.
I'm a complete newbie in this regard so any help is greatly appreciated.

How can I determine the correct replacement part?
- Are there other variables aside from 30/20?
- Are there details related to RV vs Home // AC vs DC?
- Some sort of code or ID i should look for?
Thanks so much in advance.

bigb56 · 05-13-2022, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by WonderWander

Hi, thanks in advance.
I need to replace the 30 /20 breaker for 2004 Fleetwood Flair 33R
Original company / supplier is out of business.
I'm a complete newbie in this regard so any help is greatly appreciated.

How can I determine the correct replacement part?
- Are there other variables aside from 30/20?
- Are there details related to RV vs Home // AC vs DC?
- Some sort of code or ID i should look for?
Thanks so much in advance.

What brand is it? If Bryant (colored handles green for 30 and red for 20) the replacement is Eaton Cutler Hammer BR series. You also need to know if it is a CTL (circuit limiting) or a Non-CTL. A non-CTL will fit any panel but a CTL will only fit a panel with a notched bus stab and it will have a small metal rejection tab right where the slot is that clips onto the bus.

HarryStone · 05-13-2022, 12:01 PM

Here's a chart that shows the interchangeability between circuit breaker companies.

https://www.relectric.com/blog/2019/...terchangeable/

HarryStone · 05-13-2022, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfe10

Sorry, not sure what a 30/20 breaker is.

Who is the manufacturer? Part number?

I believe he's talking about something like this;

https://www.amazon.com/20-30-Amp-Cir...03815541&psc=1

bigb56 · 05-13-2022, 12:05 PM

Note that the replacement Eaton brand will not have colored handles, that was unique to Bryant. Cutler Hammer bought Bryant then Cutler Hammer was bought by Eaton. Again, if you have a notched bus the CTL will fit and is cheaper than the non-CTL which fits either bus. I'm guessing you have Bryant because you mentioned the colors.

PS The "BR" is for Bryant.

bigb56 · 05-13-2022, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryStone

Here's a chart that shows the interchangeability between circuit breaker companies.

https://www.relectric.com/blog/2019/...terchangeable/

Those are actually "Classified Breakers" which are manufactured by one company and listed to be installed in another companies panel. They are not accepted everywhere and even if the manufacturing "A" company approved it for use in company "B" panel, company "B" has to approve it for use in their panel and not all do. Our local inspection department does not accept them.

Country Road · 05-13-2022, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bigb56

Note that the replacement Eaton brand will not have colored handles, that was unique to Bryant. Cutler Hammer bought Bryant then Cutler Hammer was bought by Eaton. Again, if you have a notched bus the CTL will fit and is cheaper than the non-CTL which fits either bus. I'm guessing you have Bryant because you mentioned the colors.

PS The "BR" is for Bryant.

When I needed an extra breaker in our previous coach, I removed one and took it to a local electrical supply house. They didn’t have it in stock but was available to get it for me the next morning.

bigb56 · 05-13-2022, 12:18 PM

Here are pics of a bus, the top stabs are not notched and will only accept the non-ctl, the ones in the yellow squares are notched and will accept either.

Note the back of the breakers, CTL on left and non-ctl on right.

Please post a picture of your breakers so we can be sure. I misread "code" for "color" in your OP

WonderWander · 05-13-2022, 12:26 PM

Here's a pic of the box - the 30 /20 is on the left - Thank you!

WonderWander · 05-13-2022, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by WonderWander

Here's a pic of the box - the 30 /20 is on the left - Thank you!

https://www.amazon.com/Siemens-Q2030...s%2C643&sr=1-1

bigb56 · 05-13-2022, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by WonderWander

Here's a pic of the box - the 30 /20 is on the left - Thank you!

Even though the box is a PowerTek it has a ITE-Siemans bus and as shown in the post above Siemans breakers are still readily available everywhere. The CTL and Non-CTL still applies and looks exactly the same as the Eaton pics I posted. Yours is marked CTL on the label but the bus is probably notched as in the case of a CTL class panelboard that only means it cannot accept more than 42 circuits, and yours is limited by the size of the bus even when notched so it's a moot point. So yes, the above linked breaker would work. Home Depot sells them as well.

Ray,IN · 05-13-2022, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bigb56

Even though the box is a PowerTek it has a ITE-Siemans bus and as shown in the post above Siemans breakers are still readily available everywhere. The CTL and Non-CTL still applies and looks exactly the same as the Eaton pics I posted. Yours is marked CTL on the label but the bus is probably notched as in the case of a CTL class panelboard that only means it cannot accept more than 42 circuits, and yours is limited by the size of the bus even when notched so it's a moot point. So yes, the above linked breaker would work. Home Depot sells them as well.

Nice to have a sparky around when needed.

l1v3fr33ord1 · 05-13-2022, 08:05 PM

Hmm... The breaker in post #10 is a 20-30. Doesn't the OP want a 30-20, such as the Siemens Q3020, examples here and here?

Using a 20-30 would require swapping the wires and labels between positions 1 and 2. Using a 30-20 would not require either of those swaps.

At least, that's what my simple thinking tells me. I could be incorrect. It happens more often each day.

WonderWander · 05-14-2022, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by l1v3fr33ord1

Hmm... The breaker in post #10 is a 20-30. Doesn't the OP want a 30-20, such as the Siemens Q3020, examples here and here?

Using a 20-30 would require swapping the wires and labels between positions 1 and 2. Using a 30-20 would not require either of those swaps.

At least, that's what my simple thinking tells me. I could be incorrect. It happens more often each day.

Hi, thanks for chiming in!
I noticed that as well and had actually spoken to recpro but they were out of stock.
I ordered the one below.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
The only difference I noticed in the specs is that the new one says "Issue N-20" vs the old one shows as "Issue N-21"
I'm not sure what "issue" means with regard to compatibility though.
Do you think I'll be okay with the one I ordered? Thank you!