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77Travco · 09-27-2021, 07:52 AM

So as I said before. I am actually under my GVWR of 22000lbs and under my GCWR of 26000 lbs but over on my 5000 lb Tow Rating by 340 lbs.
I believe that my weakest link is my 24" frame extensions. I will be keeping an eye on that and addressing if needed.

Flyer15015 · 09-27-2021, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by 77Travco

So as I said before. I am actually under my GVWR of 22000lbs and under my GCWR of 26000 lbs but over on my 5000 lb Tow Rating by 340 lbs.
I believe that my weakest link is my 24" frame extensions. I will be keeping an eye on that and addressing if needed.

See page #1, post #12 for my DIY fix.
Several trips all round Colorado pulling 8K# and it's working well.

Mike in Colorado

TandW · 09-27-2021, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Flyer15015

See page #1, post #12 for my DIY fix.
Several trips all round Colorado pulling 8K# and it's working well.

Mike in Colorado

Up until now I have been reluctant to comment further on your "fix".
However I do not believe you have increased your hitch weight carrying ability at all. You may have provided some additional pull capacity but you should have used 6" u-channel and many more bolts.
Ultimately, there is a reason that your hitch was derated down to 5000#.

Flyer15015 · 09-27-2021, 12:50 PM

TandW,
Pull is what I was after. The trailer is balanced so that something just over 200# is on the ball.
The geometry is such that the "pull weight" is almost "linear" to the actual frame.
And yes, a 4" x 3/8# channel would be stronger. Maybe next time......

Mike in Colorado

TQ60 · 09-28-2021, 12:27 PM

Insurance is interesting but accidents are no fun.

If you are involved with any that has an injury there will likely be lawsuits.

Where that happens private companies do investigations, and they check EVERYTHING!

They include weights, structural and complete history from. ECM.

If GCVW is exceeded by a pound you are in trouble, even if not your fault, it can give an excuse to shift fault as you were negligent in your vehicle.

Everything does matter.

Sammicic · 09-28-2021, 02:07 PM

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There are boogie men out there! This couple were given a ticket for reckless driving when they turned over and destroyed their TT,

https://youtu.be/O40aTqWrmJ0

They are lucky others weren’t involved in their over payload, over towing capacity and inexperience highway mayhem.

77Travco · 10-07-2021, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by TQ60

Insurance is interesting but accidents are no fun.

If you are involved with any that has an injury there will likely be lawsuits.

Where that happens private companies do investigations, and they check EVERYTHING!

They include weights, structural and complete history from. ECM.

If GCVW is exceeded by a pound you are in trouble, even if not your fault, it can give an excuse to shift fault as you were negligent in your vehicle.

Everything does matter.

Please stop spreading urban legends that do not contain merit.

77Travco · 10-07-2021, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Sammicic

[Mod Edit]

There are boogie men out there! This couple were given a ticket for reckless driving when they turned over and destroyed their TT,

https://youtu.be/O40aTqWrmJ0

They are lucky others weren’t involved in their over payload, over towing capacity and inexperience highway mayhem.

What does reckless driving have to do with this thread? The whole point here is that you can be over weight while maintaining safety.

Sammicic · 10-12-2021, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by 77Travco

What does reckless driving have to do with this thread? The whole point here is that you can be over weight while maintaining safety.

I guess you didn't watch the video. That's what he was charged with because his tow vehicle wasn't rated for the weight he was pulling. You must be one of those who don't bother to read post in there entirety.

dbircky · 10-12-2021, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Sammicic

I guess you didn't watch the video. That's what he was charged with because his tow vehicle wasn't rated for the weight he was pulling. You must be one of those who don't bother to read post in there entirety.

I watched all three videos, and didn’t see where the weight was taken of the trailer and contents. Is there another video that shows the weighing of the contents of the dumpster, wrecker, and their pickup? I’m not familiar with that state’s laws, but here unsafe vehicle is much more appropriate for a vehicle that is unsafe. Fail to control is a general catch-all for causing a single vehicle crash. Reckless operation is generally a high level of disregard or an intentional act.

I didn’t click on the go fund me link. If it’s there I’ll take your word for it. Not clear on that either as I thought they said they have insurance, was this to pay the fines?

77Travco · 10-12-2021, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Sammicic

I guess you didn't watch the video. That's what he was charged with because his tow vehicle wasn't rated for the weight he was pulling. You must be one of those who don't bother to read post in there entirety.

Once again..... your video has nothing to do with this thread. We are not talking about reckless driving and dangerous overloading.
Why spread untruths on this forum?

Sammicic · 10-12-2021, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by 77Travco

Once again..... your video has nothing to do with this thread. We are not talking about reckless driving and dangerous overloading.
Why spread untruths on this forum?

The OP was, “can I tow my 5400# Jeep with a 5000# rated hitch” in other words he is overloaded.
How is that an untruth.
The guy who wrecked his TT had prior videos where he talks about getting a TT that was to heavy for his Frontier to pull. He admitted that the salesman saw him coming. Same principle if you are flat towing a Toad behind your mother home. The OP’s Jeep is to much for his RV that is a fact not an untruth.

77Travco · 10-12-2021, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Sammicic

The OP was, “can I tow my 5400# Jeep with a 5000# rated hitch” in other words he is overloaded.
How is that an untruth.
The guy who wrecked his TT had prior videos where he talks about getting a TT that was to heavy for his Frontier to pull. He admitted that the salesman saw him coming. Same principle if you are flat towing a Toad behind your mother home. The OP’s Jeep is to much for his RV that is a fact not an untruth.

Ahhh!... the OP's original question!... now we are back on topic.
Can the OP safely tow his 5400lb toad with a 5000lb hitch? Well of course he can.
For example:
I tow a 5340lb F-150 behind my 5000lb tow rated class A. I am within all of my numbers except for being 340lbs over on my tow rating. Am I safe? ...of course I am. What's my weak link? Well, it's not my hitch, tranny, rear diff ratio or cooling system. It has to do with my 24" rear frame extensions and that piece of my particular puzzle has since been addressed.
Keep in mind that two almost identical vehicles from the factory can come with different tow ratings for something such as different rear gear ratios or radiator sizes.
It all comes down to common sense, diligent maintenance and knowing your equipment.