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Old 10-26-2021, 08:10 AM   #15
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Thanks. Any problems with valve stem TPMS?
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Old 10-26-2021, 08:37 AM   #16
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The bag breaks open once you drive, the old tires had the same broken bag and beads in there or I wouldn't have believed it.

Off subject but the guy that mounted my tires that came to my work parking lot was nice enough to let me help so I got to see it all first hand, also learned that the lug nuts are reverse thread on drivers side which I was surprised to see, reminded me of how they did that back in the day on the Dodge/Plymouth muscle cars. Took 2 hours all six start to finish.


Did the company that balanced in your driveway use balance beads?
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Old 10-26-2021, 08:55 AM   #17
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Balance beads and TPMS

I had the two front tires balanced with beads and they did a great job. I also had TPMS sensors on the valve stems without any issues.
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Old 10-26-2021, 02:18 PM   #18
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Did the company that balanced in your driveway use balance beads?

Yes. Not the same ones he used but similar.

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Old 10-26-2021, 04:53 PM   #19
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There is nothing wrong with balancing beads. Thousands of coaches use them. I had them in the front tires of my Diplomat. With that said, I prefer Centramatic Balancers. I have them on all three axles.

Lastly, anyone that says rear tires don't need to balanced are completely wrong. That may be fine on a semi trailer, but on an RV, it can cause uneven tire wear and premature tire replacement. Many may say they don't feel any difference, but those who are more in tune with how their coach rides, will feel a difference.
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There is nothing wrong with balancing beads. Thousands of coaches use them. I had them in the front tires of my Diplomat. With that said, I prefer Centramatic Balancers. I have them on all three axles.

Lastly, anyone that says rear tires don't need to balanced are completely wrong. That may be fine on a semi trailer, but on an RV, it can cause uneven tire wear and premature tire replacement. Many may say they don't feel any difference, but those who are more in tune with how their coach rides, will feel a difference.

Agreed, I was disappointed he only had 2 bags with him, I would have gladly paid for four more, that being said mine must be pretty close as it rides smooth as glass and I am pretty picky so I must be lucky. I know my tires will age out well before any tread issues arise, probably 5-7 k miles is all by then. Tires are Good Year G670 FWIW dated 3221 and $4,052 OTD for 6, pretty happy.
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Had new tires put on this summer (same size as yours) they used balancing beads and we’ve had no problems
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Thanks. Any problems with valve stem TPMS?
No, provided that the right kind of valves are used in the stems on the tires. They should have a filter or screen to keep the debris out of the valves, which also keeps them out of the TPMS sensors.

Mine have the right valves, and the sensors are fine.
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Next for me centrimatic balance rings
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Some tire gurus say the Beads are more effective/capable at balancing tires than the Centramatic disks.

Reason --
On a 22.5 tire, the Centramatic disk has about a 20 inch radius (it has to fit inside wheel's inner diameter) so the beads inside are spinning at the outer edge at around 20 inches from center point, and therefore generate less centrifugal force than having beads inside the tire, which would be spinning closer to 36 or 38 inches out from center point (in the same 295/80R22.5 tire). So theoretically the beads are capable of doing more balancing "work".
Maybe it only matters if the tires are grossly out of balance.

I have the Centramatic balancers on my truck now and they work fine, and beads in my Coach tires, which work fine too. So I have no dog in this fight.
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Old 10-27-2021, 09:05 AM   #25
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The scientific theory behind balancing beads is sound. People have been using things inside the tire for balance for a LOOONG time. Everything has been tried from sea sand to antifreeze including golf balls. Everything works with varying degrees of success.

Within reasonable limits, the larger the diameter of the tire the better the beads work. Within reasonable limits, the wider the tire the less the beads work. They work great in motorcycle tires...not so much in low profile high performance car tires. The beads don't work well on vehicles that start, stop or corner at the limits tire adhesion. The forces are enough to dislodge the beads.

There are internal balancing media available from several companies currently on the market including liquid. There is no scientific reason any of them should work better than any other! The most expensive brand doesn't balance the tires any better than the least expensive brand.

Most balancing beads are very tiny. See the attached picture. The 3 beads shown are, from left to right; BB gun BB, #4 steel shot gun shot, Dynabeads standard balancing bead.

ANY water, grease, oil, etc can make the tiny beads clump defeating the balancing action in the tire. Adding air to tires from a compressor that has too much water in the air can be enough to cause a problem. Some truck tires have a heavily textured inner liner. The tiny beads can get caught in this texture and not distribute well for balancing. Dynabeads has a larger diameter bead for these applications. The tiny beads are small enough to get caught in the valve stem with the air pressure is checked. If this happens a small leak occurs! This can't happen with Dynabeads larger 'truck' beads. They are too large to get in the valve stem/core.

When I put new tires (245/75R19.5) I put 8 oz. competition non plated BB gun BB's in each front tire and 10 oz. the same in each rear tire. I can not feel any vibration at any speed or driving condition. It seems to be PERFECT.

My Jeep has 255/75R17 tires on it. I installed #4 steel shot shell pellets in those tires. I think 6 oz. per tire. I get no vibration most of the time. Occasionally there is a little something, just enough for me to notice, that pops up. I haven't decided if it is a balancing problem, the general roughness of the Jeep suspension, tiny ripples in the highway surface, all the above or my imagination. It is still better than the spin balance I had.

I agree with the CountryB for the reasons he states. Theoretically the beads should work better than Centramatic balancers. Maybe not in practice.
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thanks yeloduster, I appreciate the visual comparison.
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