Class "A" Toyhaulers

[Lindaxtwo]

Lindy,
We have a 2012 Outlaw and carry a Yamaha 1300 with trike kit which weighs about 1200#. We haven't had any problems with the ramp. If we are in a site where the front end is too high, we use the jacks to get the rear end lowered (sometimes we need to raise front end...sometimes just pull all the jacks up to get rig at lowest point). Works fine...Our trike has very low clearance due to the Voyager trike kit so we understand your concern. We've known others who have had to build custom ramps for their Newmar toyhauler cause the ramp was too steep. Hope this helps.

[Scarab0088]

Originally Posted by Lindy-FLA

Well we are new here, still haven't decided what unit to get, but actively looking and especially at the Outlaw. Our meanest decision is about the ramp. We have an '11 HD TriGlide, dry weight is 1175 but fully loaded we're looking at about 1250 or so. The angle of the ramp is the problem for almost every Toy Hauler we've looked at, including putting an extension flap on it. About 6"-8" clearance max when we pitch the nose up that ramp the tail pipes drag at the crux. Any suggestions? We want to get on the road and finish up this decision, so appreciate ANY advice!
Lindy

Weight should be no problem. And, with the rear frame of the Outlaw dropped about 10 inches from the rest of the frame, the garage is lower and the ramp angle is lower than other brands.

The ramp of the Outlaw is flat, it has a folding leaf at the end and the rear 2 feet of the garage floor is angled down toward the ramp, making the ramp area even longer overall.

In the rare case that the ramp is too step, addition of a set of car ramps aligned with the tires of your bike could help.

The question for you is what is your "departure angle"? Meaning... how much angle is there from level measured behind your rear tires to the lowest rear extension (pipes)?

[Scarab0088]

While details are still slim, Thor has announced that there will be a new Class A Toyhauler model for 2013 - The Thor OutLaw 37MD -

Overall length: 38'7"
Chassis: Ford Triton V10 w/ 24,000 GVWR and 30,000 GCWR

The only confirmed floorplan detail is pictured here - artist concept of the interior facing to the rear garage



This Outlaw still has a loft bedroom (see stairs on the right), but it is obvious that the couch would be a fold-away bed and therefore this model would offer a "bedroom" at the rear of the finished interior.

Will keep looking for more details as they appear.

[Lindy-FLA]

Thanks for advice. We will measure that "departure" point and update you. We really are down to two choices, the Outlaw and the Newmar 3920. Car ramps seem to be our option at this point. One guy had designed them so they were "pinned to the inside of the ramp for loading and unloading, then pulled the pins to remove tracks and stored them. That's an option. I like the slide bedroom of the Newmar, DH doesn't care! His concern is the Trike, says we won't be in the bedroom that much so why worry about it. We are close to a decision and want to be on the road by mid-December.

[SNAPPY]

Originally Posted by Lindy-FLA

Thanks for advice. We will measure that "departure" point and update you. We really are down to two choices, the Outlaw and the Newmar 3920. Car ramps seem to be our option at this point. One guy had designed them so they were "pinned to the inside of the ramp for loading and unloading, then pulled the pins to remove tracks and stored them. That's an option. I like the slide bedroom of the Newmar, DH doesn't care! His concern is the Trike, says we won't be in the bedroom that much so why worry about it. We are close to a decision and want to be on the road by mid-December.

I would STRONGLY suggest spending a few days/nights in an RV that utilizes a loft as your master bedroom. We spend about 30+ weekends a year at various race tracks and haul our 4 motorcycles tens of thousands of miles every year. I diid not want to tow our trailer with a MH so we were also considering the same two options as you. After spending just one night in a friends 5er, using the loft to sleep in, we knew that a loft was defenantly NOT for us. You may not spend lots of time in the loft but the time you do is supposed to be relaxing. And it's not. Plus it's a serious PITA to even get into bed. Not to mention you don't have a bedroom. We looked at the Outlaw at MSHRV and was not unpressed with the quality of the product. On one brand new 2013 model you could see daylight coming in from the engine compartment down by the drivers side bulkhead where it met the wall. When we looked at the Canyon Star we were blown away. TOTALLY different ball game. Much more expensive too. But WELL worth it. We opted for a non-toy hauler MH and we'll just pull the trailer. Much larger pool to choose from and a much larger market to sell to after we're done with it. The amenities in a "regular" MH are leaps and bounds ahead of those in the toy haulers but Newmar is pretty close.

[Scarab0088]

Originally Posted by SNAPPY

I would STRONGLY suggest spending a few days/nights in an RV that utilizes a loft as your master bedroom. We spend about 30+ weekends a year at various race tracks and haul our 4 motorcycles tens of thousands of miles every year. I diid not want to tow our trailer with a MH so we were also considering the same two options as you. After spending just one night in a friends 5er, using the loft to sleep in, we knew that a loft was defenantly NOT for us. You may not spend lots of time in the loft but the time you do is supposed to be relaxing. And it's not. Plus it's a serious PITA to even get into bed. Not to mention you don't have a bedroom. We looked at the Outlaw at MSHRV and was not unpressed with the quality of the product. On one brand new 2013 model you could see daylight coming in from the engine compartment down by the drivers side bulkhead where it met the wall. When we looked at the Canyon Star we were blown away. TOTALLY different ball game. Much more expensive too. But WELL worth it. We opted for a non-toy hauler MH and we'll just pull the trailer. Much larger pool to choose from and a much larger market to sell to after we're done with it. The amenities in a "regular" MH are leaps and bounds ahead of those in the toy haulers but Newmar is pretty close.

Most towables are not as tall as the Outlaw...the extra height is in the loft.

To us, the loft is the best part of the Outlaw...no bedroom between the garage and the bath or kitchen -so the bed is always clean and set-up for sleeping. It's cozy and uses none of your valuable floor space for bed.

Except for the Bounty Hunter, this is a one of a kind feature.

Of course we dont sit in bed too much, and getting in is just like our king at home - 1or 2 steps on your knees and you are in bed.

About quality...my Outlaw and others I have been in were of similar build quality to the Canyon Star I toured. And since they are on the same chassis, I couldn't understand the large difference in price.

It's really a personal preference, and we love our Class A Toyhauler. Even though we still tow a car, the garage is great for toys, gear, or even big pets!

[BpK9Miami]

Originally Posted by Lindy-FLA

Thanks for advice. We will measure that "departure" point and update you. We really are down to two choices, the Outlaw and the Newmar 3920. Car ramps seem to be our option at this point. One guy had designed them so they were "pinned to the inside of the ramp for loading and unloading, then pulled the pins to remove tracks and stored them. That's an option. I like the slide bedroom of the Newmar, DH doesn't care! His concern is the Trike, says we won't be in the bedroom that much so why worry about it. We are close to a decision and want to be on the road by mid-December.

Depending on where you are in Florida - if indeed you are (I'm making an assumption based on the screen name) - you're welcome to crawl around my outlaw all you want. I live in mine full time, and it's a little different than the current models, but the usage, and how it can be, and is, set up, is not all that different among the many floorplans available. I'm in Hollywood, south of Ft Lauderdale if you're interested.

AND, bless of luck with your decision.

[Scarab0088]

Research about the new Outlaw(s) has revealed a few interesting changes from the venerable 3611 that are not obvious...I think these changes will be common in the 37LS and 37MD, but details are still spotty.

Working from the front to rear...:
The "dog house" will be elevated more and will be capped with a console w/ cup holders.

There are nicely finished dash console extensions on the side wall (armrest area).

There is a new slide-out pantry to the rear of the fridge.

There is a new drawer added to the wardrobe cabinette that used to be a blank panel (previously optional inverter mount location)

All the carpet in the main floor area is gone, even under the drivers and passengers seat...replaced with continuous composite flooring.

The garage entry door from the interior is taller/elevated with an angeled box extending into the loft floor.

The storage boxes are gone from the bottom of the front wall of the (ala 3808).

There are new loading rings premounted in the garage floor.

And the BIG change in the garage...the garage door lift cables are now on a coil spring loaded roll like a roll-up home garage door.

Other changes that are more obvious is the new front facia, front electric drop loft bed, side opening bin doors, larger storage bins, railing system for the garage door to create the "Party Patio" and second cable to hold the garage door upright.

The new Outlaws are longer and therefore will only be offered on the 24K lb Ford Chassis with Triton V10 and 5 speed transmission.

As soon as there is one in my neck of the woods, I'll be going to take a look.

[Cobra1]

Here is one for sale with pictures. Price is higher but it does have some nice features.

http://www.mhsrv.com/2013-thor-motor...s-a-tx-i683838

[Scarab0088]

Originally Posted by Cobra1

Here is one for sale with pictures. Price is higher but it does have some nice features.

New Thor Motor Coach Outlaw for sale in Alvarado TX | 2013 Thor Motor Coach Outlaw Toy Hauler RV for Sale (37LS) W/Slide Class A For Sale from Motor Home Specialist in Alvarado Texas

Thanks!
Pictures are worth 1000 words. Like here's a picture of the new bulge in the loft floor:


The interior garage door might be taller in the new layout...or the drop floor well is not as deep in front of the door.

[Scarab0088]

It's finally published-

Originally Posted by Scarab0088

Well, I still haven't seen any real pictures - and they were supposed to debut it at the Nat'l RV Trade Show in KY last month - but they finally put the new 37MD's floorplan up on the website Outlawrv.com:

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See: 2013 Outlaw Garage Motorhomes: Class A Toy Hauler RV by Thor Motor Coach

There's some BIG changes. What do YOU think?

[BpK9Miami]

Steve, with apologies. . .

It is a fine "ToyHauler" in a way.

Coolest guy at the boat ramp. [VIDEO]


Enjoy. Dan

[DGShaffer]

Woah! It looked like it gave birth!

[Scarab0088]

Originally Posted by BpK9Miami

Steve, with apologies. . .

It is a fine "ToyHauler" in a way.

Coolest guy at the boat ramp. [VIDEO]


Enjoy. Dan

No apologies needed...that thing is just KEWL!!

I saw it in-person at a car show (The Autorama) in Oakland back in the 'ol days. The van was front-wheel-drive. Tandem rear's were actually just trailer axles. The front window of the boat swung-up allowing access between the cab and boat and there was 4 captains chairs in the van front end.

The boat had a V8 powered out-drive (I/O), berthing for 6 and a "RV like" salon with dinette, couch and full galley.

Over the years, I have looked and looked for anything about it on the net...but this is the first thing I have ever seen. Thanks