Class "A" Toyhaulers

[Scarab0088]

Originally Posted by Powerfact

1st post, hope in correct place.
My wife and I purchased a 2005 funmover 31c new and have loved using it pre children. We now have 2 wonderful kids (2-4) plus our family golden retriever to travel with and can see we are outgrowing the funmover fast. We have a full garage of mx bikes and now a mini quad and a ttr50. Garage isn't really as big of an issue as the living space and storage space inside the camper seems to be. No pop outs make for some tight living and I can only see it getting tighter. The option of a class a camper pulling a trailer will not work with our parking at home, so we are looking for advice on class a toy hauler, pro and cons of makes plus is there any rv shows close to nj coming up soon to view any? How about selling the fun mover or trading in at dealer? Thanks so much in advanced for any help.

All Class A Toyhaulers will come with slides because the Outlaw was the first in the segment and that was only in 2007. It is amazing what 1 or 2 slides will do for interior space.

If you want used, then surf the pages of this thread for the options we have found including the Forest River Georgetown GTX...stats will be added here soon.

If you want new, then 1 Newmar and 2 Thor floorplans are available. They are different, but have the garage that we all love.

They will all be gas powered, except for a few mid engined Newmar AllStars and Front Engine Diesel (FRED) Outlaws. The Diesels are rare.

Finally, your FunMover should be easy to sell with the proven Ford Cab Chassis. Trade-in, for-sale by owner, or consignment is a BIG question and it is all up to you...they have opposite levels of work for you vs. payback.

Best luck

[CBQ]

Originally Posted by Powerfact

1st post, hope in correct place.
My wife and I purchased a 2005 funmover 31c new and have loved using it pre children. We now have 2 wonderful kids (2-4) plus our family golden retriever to travel with and can see we are outgrowing the funmover fast.

We looked at the Funmover before finally deciding on the Newmar 3920. We loved the garage on the Funmover, and it was a FRED which was a point in it's favor, but the living quarters were basically one room. We like our BBQ competition teammates that share the RV with us, but not THAT much. The Newmar gives us 4 queen beds (and the dinette) in three different sleeping areas (garage, bedroom, main room), which works out quite well. The other couple on our core team loves having their own room and entrance in the garage.

We also looked at the Thor Outlaw, also a choice you should consider. The loft bedroom was a deal breaker for the DW, but it's a popular model and the new patio is kind of cool.

Newmar will custom build, as their RVs are only built to order. This means they will make customizations not on the option sheet if you ask.

[Powerfact]

Thanks for all the inputs. There seems to be only 2 real choices, the Newmar and the Outlaw. I will be reading as many threads as possible to see if there is one that has an advantage for me until I can get to a show or dealer that has one on their lot to see in person. Thanks again everyone.

[Online_17]

Originally Posted by BpK9Miami

My only experience with this was looking at one when I was doing my initial review. With the exception of the loft they are very similar to a 3808 Outlaw, and have no height issue as we do. All in all a nice rig. The only draw back (for me) was the lack of that loft , which you'll find when you have guests in your living room in the morning while frying your eggs! Obviously, depending on price and budget, it might be just what you're looking for....of course, that's coming from a die hard "I Love my Outlaw" owner, so it has to be taken with a grain (or more) of salt.

Either way, best of luck!

Thanks, decided against it.

[Vet618]

Newmar's new redesigned 3921 for 2014. improvements include; twice as fast slide motors, double door fridge, new dash and front and rear caps, televator behind dining area, re-designed floor plan, and a full wall slide.

here is your link; http://www.dougatbucarsrv.com/2014-C...Star-3921.html

[Scarab0088]

Thanks to Vet618, we see there will be a second floor plan offered by Newmar for their 2014 Canyon Star line, the 3921 Toyhauler.

I have pulled the best picture of the new floor plan I can find (apologies for the quality) to compare with the original...they are quite a bit different, despite the model name seeming to be only a slight change:



See: http://www.dougatbucarsrv.com/2014_C...3291_00118.JPG



See: http://www.newmarcorp.com/models/mot...nyon%20Star/23


Hope this inspires all those 3920 owners come and add some pics to the thread!

[Scarab0088]

In the interest of fairness and balance, here are the floor plans of the 2 current (2013) models of Outlaw Toyhaulers, the 37MD and 37LS:





See: 2013 Outlaw Garage Motorhomes: Class A Toy Hauler RV by Thor Motor Coach

I think, the fact that there are 4 Class A Toyhauler floor plans from these two prominent companies speaks to how HOT the segment is!

[HambonesBBQ]

Originally Posted by Scarab0088

While this is a very attractive looking coach, I have to say that the design makes me say..."hmmmm?".

While the mid engine Spartan chassis is going to be a perk (if you have the $$) the double slid garage is a lot of extra weight, and this design still needs space for the 11'-12' ramps at the rear...And you are not going to be loading a quad or SmartCar.

Of course it does give you an extra wide garage when you are parked and spread open (if the slides have roof's, but I can't see that part). I think the other design (side ramp) would be simpler to use.

I prefer the wider rear ramp set-up. I have never had a problem with space for the rear ramp, because that's where the RV has just "driven-in" from.

The fact that any floorplan is no longer being built speaks to the overall acceptance. The outlaw and the very similar Canyon Star are what people are buying...I think that says a lot.

The slides do have roofs.

I actually disagree with the part I put in red. I believe the reason they are no longer made is because Spartan no longer makes a mid-engine chassis. I know a couple folks with the Newmar Cycle Hauler and they love them. Interesting that you don't see any for sale on the used market. I guess they hold onto them.

I had a CanyonStar 3920 and sold it earlier this year. It was (still is) a great and flexible MH. In the newer models they put a pocket door in the bathroom to make for easier access when the slides are closed.

[Scarab0088]

Originally Posted by HambonesBBQ

The slides do have roofs.

I actually disagree with the part I put in red. I believe the reason they are no longer made is because Spartan no longer makes a mid-engine chassis...I had a CanyonStar 3920 and sold it earlier this year.

Thank you for the info about the slides having a roof.

And, sorry to not be specific...My comment about "OVERALL" acceptance is based on a much broader measure than just Newmar's AllStar line. It's the old "supply and demand" rule.

Like said above -if- an AllStar Bike Hauler comes up for sale (and that's not often) it is sold in short order. But, since Spartan is still making chassis' (thank goodness) why drop a chassis model that was selling? The answer is overall demand. Sales stats show that front and rear engine chassis are what have the highest demand...demand is from us, the buyers. If everyone was buying (demanding) the mid-engine chassis, then I am sure that they would still be built.

And finally, a question...Why sell the Canyon Star Toyhauler? We never hear about that side of the discussion...Do you use a trailer instead, garage was a waste of space for your needs...?

Thanks again for the post.

[HambonesBBQ]

I agree with you on the supply/demand piece. To build it specifically for Newmar would be very expensive. I dunno. I am just guessing.

I used my CanyonStar dual purpose. We used it for familty vacations to the beach. There was nothing better than having some 8 year olds and large dogs come in from the beach and be able to change without messing up the RV. Now that our son and his friends are older they don't make such a mess. We also used it for travelling to BBQ cookoffs. I used the garage as my kitchen/prep area. Occasionally the beds would be used but that was pretty rare. I also used to have a pit that I would winch up inside the garage. I now have a tow behind pit. It was replaced with a Newmar Dutch Star 4306. We have some cross country travel planned and wanted a big diesel for crossing mountains. I also wanted something that would pull a heavy vehicle like a Suburban. The pics are my old pit that went inside and the new tow behind.

[CBQ]

As I understand it, it wasn't Newmar's sales that were an issue for Spartan. The problem was that Newmar was virtually the only client for that chassis, and that volume (a single RV producer) wasn't enough.

I purchased the 3920 because it was almost impossible to find a used Allstar two years ago. People keep them. Now that they are getting a little older, you see more on the market. There is also a version with a single large door on the side, vs. the dual cycle doors on each side.

If I was buying now, the 3921 would be worth a long look. Since I also use mine for BBQ, that double door fridge would be quite attractive.

[Scarab0088]

Originally Posted by Dav5942

'07 Newmar AllStar 4153 mid-engine ISL diesel, with 80,000 miles.

Oh yes...see Dave's AllStar

[Scarab0088]

Name: Georgetown GTX 3600.
As of this posting date, Forest River is in business but no longer making a motorized Toyhauler:
Motorhomes by Forest River
Toy Haulers by Forest River
Since the market is so hott, maybe they will change their minds.


This one from a for sale ad here:
San Diego Ultimate RV Rental - San Diego RVs for Sale - RV Dealer

Mfgt: 2008-2009 (I think)

Chassis: Workhorse (verified) and Ford (I think)

Major Options: Dual drop-down bunks in the garage.
Escape hatch/Ladder to roof.

From this for sale ad:
Used 2009 Forest River Georgetown GTX Class A - Gas For Sale - Dusty's Camper World Bartow
I think this is AWESOME!

And here is a commercial on You Tube for a example when it was new:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtBhV7gTfKM

[Scarab0088]

Having added the video to the previous rig's profile, I thought these dealer videos might be a nice addition to the thread.

Here's the 2012 Newmar Canyon Star 3920 as previewed by Larry Orr from Oregon:
It's over 13 min long and Larry does a good job of showing the coach...

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