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Old 08-06-2018, 05:30 PM   #43
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Is it possible he meant 6000 for two bulbs? I only ask because that's how some of them are advertised, but it's easy to miss the two part.

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No, I can't imagine him doing that. Can you give an example of someone advertising them like that?
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I think he meant 6000 Kelvin ie: color temperature. Not Lumens. Bright White.
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Sorry but Dave L is right, 6000 is the kelvin number as in brightness. Jim E. OKC
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I think he meant 6000 Kelvin ie: color temperature. Not Lumens. Bright White.

No, they are 5000 Kelvin.
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Here is one example. 6000 Lumen for the pair.

https://www.amazon.com/Oajen-headlig.../dp/B01GUK1ZSE
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Here is one example. 6000 Lumen for the pair.

https://www.amazon.com/Oajen-headlig.../dp/B01GUK1ZSE



Thanks! I'll check back with the guy at M4Products so he can follow up with the manufacturer and see it that's the way they are rating them!
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Doing a quick look at the M4 bulbs...I highly doubt they are literally twice as bright as any competition. Especially since they are half the price of 3000 lumen premium bulbs.

It's a miscommunication is my guess.

And, scatter is from where the LED emitters are relative to the housing / projector reflectors. So, there is a difference from one bulb manufacturer to another on how well they position the emitters relative to the bulb base attachment.
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Here is one example. 6000 Lumen for the pair.

https://www.amazon.com/Oajen-headlig.../dp/B01GUK1ZSE
Thanks Jake21! I was beginning to think I was crazy! (well, that's still debatable)

And there's where it shows it:

Features:
CREE XHP50 chip sets. 4 chips per bulb.
6000 Lumen per pair.
6500k cool white (slight blue tint) color.

BUT, I also have seen where it is 6000 lumens per bulb..so MSHappyCampers is probably correct!

But the main thing I'm learning about these LEDs thread is....It's complicated. And sort of hit and miss, right? I mean some folks are having good luck with some of these off of Amazon, others not so much, and for me, I have the proof that the old incandescent bulb is rugged and last a long time, as the date on it shows 1996!!
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I talked to Steve at M4Products again this afternoon. He is using the info given to him by the manufacturer. He is contacting the manufacturer to see if the 6000 lumens rating is on one bulb or a pair. I will report back when he gets back to me.



One thing I like about his bulbs is that they are 5000 Kelvin, white light without the blue tint!
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I got an e-mail replay from Steve at M4 Products about the light output on the 9007 LED headlamps.



He went back to the manufacturer for clarification and they admitted that the 6000 lumens was incorrect! They are actually rated at 2000 lumens per bulb!

Steve wasn't trying to mislead anyone, but was depending on the manufacturer's info to be accurate. He is correcting the info on the website.


As he pointed out, there's no way to know if others are over-rating their output also.



Where do we go from here?
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That sounds more accurate based on the price.
They are all made in China.
So, one has to rely on reputation in the US distributor.

Update on my bulbs: I spoke to Nick at the theRetrofitSource.com. He is sending me out some new Profile LED H1 bulbs (retail $120 / pair) to replace the Bi-Xenon stuff that the bulbs keep cracking. I sent him back the Bi-Xenon computers / ignitors / all bulbs so he can test all and figure out root cause for failure.

All at no charge and all with no hassle and all with positive conversations.

No - they are not the cheapest on the Internet. But the expertise and customer handling has been stellar. WELL worth any incremental cost.

I am looking at adding another Low beam in the "grill" of the MountainAire.
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