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06-16-2013, 07:41 PM
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Diesel Fuel Problem
Here is a photo of the fuel drained from Dynasty's fuel water separator filter.
The one on the left is new diesel fuel, the right is from the filter.
I added BioBor JF microbiocide to fuel tank. Has anyone had silimar fuel issues?
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06-16-2013, 07:57 PM
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Wow, I hope you've got a spare fuel filter or two in your travel kit! You'll have to weigh running it through the engine or just draining and disposing of it. Good luck!
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06-16-2013, 08:00 PM
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I note you live in Melbourne, FL. Call a yacht yard and ask them about a company that does "fuel polishing" in your area. They even remove the fuel from your tank clean it and put it back in your tank.........cleaned. It is a pretty common practice in marine areas. The closests to you that I know of is in Jacksonville.....Diesel Filtration Systems. The man I deal with there is David Cornatzer. I think this is the correct phone number (904)-374-4564
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06-17-2013, 12:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KIX
I note you live in Melbourne, FL. Call a yacht yard and ask them about a company that does "fuel polishing" in your area. They even remove the fuel from your tank clean it and put it back in your tank.........cleaned. It is a pretty common practice in marine areas. The closests to you that I know of is in Jacksonville.....Diesel Filtration Systems. The man I deal with there is David Cornatzer. I think this is the correct phone number (904)-374-4564
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Take another fuel sample and if it looks like the last one you need to get it cleaned. This is not something you want to overlook. Call the marine guy to recycle your diesel fuel. It does work....
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06-17-2013, 12:19 PM
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Do not screw around with it. Years ago, towing up from Daytona I got a bad batch of Diesel fuel in my Dodge Ram (Cummins 5.9L motor) in Fredricksburg, VA. 90 miles later the motor just stopped in a big cloud of white smoke. The cause, fuel contamination (with water). The damage, 1 broken injector pump, bad tank pump and 6 bad injectors. The cost, $6,500, of which my auto insurance thankfully paid all but $500 of.
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06-17-2013, 12:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by passerby
Here is a photo of the fuel drained from Dynasty's fuel water separator filter.
The one on the left is new diesel fuel, the right is from the filter.
I added BioBor JF microbiocide to fuel tank. Has anyone had silimar fuel issues?
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Did you add the biocide before or after the picture was taken?
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06-17-2013, 07:33 PM
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I have a tank cleaning guy coming tomorrow to clean the fuel or get rid of it.
I put some BioBor JF it the tank according to instructions after draining the filter. I did put a drop or two in the cup and can see no change in color. Thanks for the suggestions.
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06-17-2013, 09:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by passerby
I have a tank cleaning guy coming tomorrow to clean the fuel or get rid of it.
I put some BioBor JF it the tank according to instructions after draining the filter. I did put a drop or two in the cup and can see no change in color. Thanks for the suggestions.
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Let us know how it works out.
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06-18-2013, 08:51 AM
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The BioBar JF is a great fix for microbe contamination in diesel fuel. It is designed to kill microbes growing in the fuel, which can occur if the diesel has any water in it. I doubt it will change the color of the fuel. When it kills the microbes, their bodies are still in the fuel and are normally caught in the fuel filters.
Folks with problems like this should keep a maintenance level of BioBar JF in any fuel they plan to store for a while, ie, not immediately using up on a trip.
Some fuel filters have a sight "glass" on them which makes it easier to spot such contamination as soon as it happens.
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06-18-2013, 09:02 AM
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I don't get it...
I used to drive over the road back in the 80's in a 1983 Peterbuilt 400 Cat Diesel and I never added any thing to the fuel except in the winter and then it was a type of anti-freeze. I have read on these forms about adding this or that to the fuel. I see in the CW stores them selling gal's of stuff for Diesel's What has changed with the fuel since the 80's? In a way I am glad my MH is a gasser
just wondering
Tim
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06-18-2013, 09:37 AM
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spritz, the difference is that in your 1983 Peterbuilt 400 Cat Diesel you never let it sit. Fuel was flowing through and never laying in the tank. Many RV's sit more than they run. Adding a biocide to a diesel, or fuel stabilizer in the case of a gasser is just insurance that what's in the tank doesn't change while sitting.
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06-18-2013, 09:48 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BFlinn181
spritz, the difference is that in your 1983 Peterbuilt 400 Cat Diesel you never let it sit. Fuel was flowing through and never laying in the tank. Many RV's sit more than they run. Adding a biocide to a diesel, or fuel stabilizer in the case of a gasser is just insurance that what's in the tank doesn't change while sitting.
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Very true... Rv's tend to sit more than run... I run "over the road",, it's a lot different than letting our rv sit for a month or two at a time.... I think we'll move up to a DP some years ahead, but for now, I use Stabil or Heat,,, something to keep the water out of the gas... Same instance as would be needed in a DP I figure....Humidity is terrible here....
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06-18-2013, 10:11 AM
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To echo a theme...
When I plan to let my DP sit for 30 days or more I:
1. Add a maintenance level of biocide.
2. Add a maintenance level of Stabil for diesel.
3. Fill the tank up. This is to minimize condensation in the tank. Water and diesel fuel are the breading ground for fungi growth in the tank.
4. After filling the tank and adding biocide and Stabil I run the generator after I leave the station until I park it. This is to get the biocide and Stabil in that fuel line also.
While I usually plan on 10 - 20 minutes of engine run time between the station and parking, I run the genny for 30 minutes at 1/2 load unless I used the genny a lot before fueling. Then I don't really care.
If I expect the potential for sub freezing weather I add fuel conditioner to avoid gelling. This is especially true if I would be storing it with pre-winter blended fuel. I like Power Service Supplement Plus but most any good product works just fine.
When on the road I do not add anything. The only exception would be if I was concerned about a non-winter blend and driving directly to an area with sub-freezing temp forecast. I would then have my supplement ready to go.
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06-18-2013, 07:18 PM
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Today, I had the tank emptied which was tough to do. (70 gal)
On friday a I'll have new diesel delivered and plan on changing filters and putting in biocide before fuel is added. At the bottom of the tank I had him pump some in a container so I could see, and it looked the same as in the cup, dark dark olive oil.
The engine never ran rough or any noticeable sign of a problem. I don't want a breakdown from bad diesel. Peace of mind $$$$$
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