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08-29-2021, 04:07 PM
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#29
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Junior Member
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 19
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Making it work
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Originally Posted by Country Road
It’s kind of a Catch-22 for the OP. He has the Expedition and is trying to make it work. Good for him. You got to go sometimes with what you have. I think you would be ok unless most of your traveling will be in the mountains. Good luck.
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I can understand wanting to hang on to the Expedition, but when looking at the overall picture would you buy a DP for $100K more, or even $20K more to just keep the Expedition. The OP
could trade the Expedition for a lighter toad, or perhaps put a Banks Power Pak in the gas RV if the issue was mostly not having enough torque.
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08-29-2021, 04:10 PM
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Senior Member
Winnebago Owners Club
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Florida Keys
Posts: 922
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GCVW - GVWR probably should be 10k or greater.
Diesel pusher hands down because they can be run at high torque all day and being way behind you are much quieter when running hard.
Our 2013 36M has a 360HP cummins and 1000+ lbs torque. We run no more than 31000 lbs fully loaded. Our truck weighs 5100 lbs with the bikes and a kayak. Our GCVW is 42350 so we run 6000 lbs below maximum.
I can definitely feel the difference when the truck is off. It isn't bad but it is noticeable.
Up hill in the rockies can get pretty slow and you have to keep it slow coming down for the exhaust brake to work.
I can say that our setup is adequate.
You would probably have to have a lot more horsepower and torque to weight for there to be any significant difference.
You have to do the numbers. A lot of time a bigger engine in a bigger coach is actually less power to weight even if you don't tow to the max rating.
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08-29-2021, 05:54 PM
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#31
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Member
Join Date: Jul 2021
Posts: 59
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Diesel!!
We just purchased a 07 40' Holiday Rambler. 400HP Turbo Diesel Pusher. 100 gals of water, 100 gals of fuel. Living full time so its loaded. Im pulling a Wrangler, which is not a Big Ford truck but im passing gas class A's, not pulling anything, up hill all day long. Im a gear head and know gas engines but not too much about diesel. All I know is after considering a gas class A im so glad we bought a diesel pusher. I paid 85k for a 40k mile quality built motorhome! Buy a used "high end" rig. A rig that was 400k 15 yrs ago is now under 100k. Only issue we've had is replacing the shocks. We get appox 8mpg. And the engine is not working hard. My experience is a gas engine is allways peddle to the metal, high RPM's. That engine is gonna be lunch after 75k miles. To tow a truck like u want to do u better have some torque! A diesel will give u that. I was advised to get at least 400HP if I wanted to go up hills faster than 50mph. So there my 2 cents worth. Good luck to you!!
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08-29-2021, 06:19 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2017
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I just had to go check. GCVW on ours is 38850 and the GVWR is 28850 yeah!! the empty weight is 24400. The sticker in the closet says I can carry 2950 cans of beer but that is with the expectation that I have a full tank of fresh water and 450lbs of friends to help drink the beer. DW collects rocks, I told her she could put them in the Escort and we'd be great!
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08-29-2021, 06:43 PM
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#33
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Senior Member
Winnebago Owners Club Ford Super Duty Owner Carolina Campers
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Murphy, NC, USA
Posts: 1,117
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jbaczek9969
Hi just got out of a travel trailer and looking at a Class A. In a perfect world we would get a 42 foot tag axle diesel pusher like an Entegra a few years old 30k miles. But , those seem to fall in 250k-300k
We had looked at say like a 37 foot Thor thats has. And similar RVs say can tow 7500 weight or 10000.
But in practicality, can you?
We would flat tow a 2019 Ford Expedition. This would be used during a couple months during the summer. And a few miles throughout the year. My concern is reliability if we go with gas. It also seems like with cargo, you start to hit the weight cap when you are loaded up.
Seems like the gas option a few years old you can get into for sub 100k.
So I’m thinking if we cant figure out a way to swing the diesel, getting an accurate picture of what we are getting into with the gas setup.
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Hi number one you have to go by gcvw stated somewhere in the coach then add the weight of the coach to the weight of the expedition it should be at the gcvw weight.
One thing puzzles me is why do you need an expedition while camping. Don't you have a smaller car?
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08-29-2021, 06:52 PM
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Member
Join Date: Mar 2020
Posts: 58
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There are really only 2 divisions in motor home camps. Those who have a diesel and those who wish they had a diesel. There are all kinds of reasons and excuses why people use for buying a gas coach, both pro gas and negative diesel, but, in the end , they still wish they had a diesel.
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08-29-2021, 08:04 PM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 1
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Expedition toad
i have a 2020 Expedition and my manual says it cannot be towed 4 wheels down. Are you towing it on a trailer, which would add more weight? Just curious.
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08-29-2021, 08:17 PM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 15
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We traded in a 2011 Expedition on a 2017 model because it could be flat towed. Have been tugging it around for 4 years, no problems.
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08-29-2021, 08:23 PM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: North West PA
Posts: 29
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Towing Excursion
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Originally Posted by jbaczek9969
Hi just got out of a travel trailer and looking at a Class A. In a perfect world we would get a 42 foot tag axle diesel pusher like an Entegra a few years old 30k miles. But , those seem to fall in 250k-300k
We had looked at say like a 37 foot Thor thats has. And similar RVs say can tow 7500 weight or 10000.
But in practicality, can you?
We would flat tow a 2019 Ford Expedition. This would be used during a couple months during the summer. And a few miles throughout the year. My concern is reliability if we go with gas. It also seems like with cargo, you start to hit the weight cap when you are loaded up.
Seems like the gas option a few years old you can get into for sub 100k.
So I’m thinking if we cant figure out a way to swing the diesel, getting an accurate picture of what we are getting into with the gas setup.
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I am not a DP fan. BUT I would be towing a Excursion with a gas rig.
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08-29-2021, 08:42 PM
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Member
Join Date: Jul 2021
Posts: 47
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Compromise your wishes when you're between a rock & a hard place.
Size your towing vehicle to your total potential load internal and behind it. Or reduce your towed vehicle & load to what your towing vehicle can handle.
Pony up the right budget, or downsize, or go used / older.
You'll never regret doing the right thing. Be safe, tow safe, never overload anything, and don't approach the limits of your equipment's capacities. You're seriously regret it when something fails and you're responsible for an accident, or even a death. Maybe your own.
I recommend you dig deeper into the used market. Diesel pushers last forever if they're properly maintained, and you can find a ten-year-old rig that will fit your budget, your style & condition requirements, AND your towing needs. Spend what you need to get a used rig seriously inspected by a rigorous and certified inspector. Haggle the repairs or improvements into the buying/selling price.
And you're set. It's not that intimidating a task, and actually quite easy when you get your mind over the hurdles.
Good luck! Send pictures and details of your final choices!
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08-29-2021, 08:44 PM
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#39
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Senior Member
Newmar Owners Club Spartan Chassis
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 577
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobbysox
Can you actually flat tow a 2019 Expedition? I do not believe that simply putting the automatic transmission in neutral will suffice as the transmission is not lubricated without the engine running and I know that my 2003 4x4 Expedition does not have a neutral position in the transfer case to disconnect the transmission. I am not saying that it cannot be done, rather asking if it can be done.
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I own a 2019 regular wheelbase 4x4 Expedition w/ the HD towing package and I've successfully towed it about 6000 miles.
The 2019 Expedition is towable if you have the 2 speed transfer case. That comes in the package called "heavy duty towing". It isn't intuitive that the package that lets you tow heavier loads allows the Expedition itself to be towed and many Ford dealers get this info wrong, but it is true and can be verified in the manuals and brochures. The term "Neutral Tow" is what Ford uses to denote the capability of the Expedition and some of their other SUVs and pick-ups to be towed behind a motorhome.
I used a Roadmaster baseplate and Air Force 1 (AF1) braking system. There are videos on etrailer.com showing how to install both of these in the Expedition. If you use the AF1 (requires a DP MH) skip the part of the instructions that has you cutting into the brake system tubing and instead call Demco and order the Ford brake adapter for about $12 - makes it plug and play without cutting any of the lines.
- Richard
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2019 Expedition, Nighthawk & AF1
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08-29-2021, 09:54 PM
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Member
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 62
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Look you need something that can work hard. Gas just won’t cut it. That’s why Trucks are diesel. It’s not just the fuel that’s different it’s the engine.
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08-29-2021, 10:35 PM
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#41
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Senior Member
Freightliner Owners Club
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Fairview TX
Posts: 2,452
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I've towed my heavy 5800# Lexus SUV around for years...mostly with a 500HP motor in a 45 ft. MH. I am now towing it with a small diesel (6.7L, 360HP) and had no issues pulling it over several Colorado passes. I had thought I could get by with a gasser after selling that big one, but after test driving a Thor gasser, I realized the noise of that engine, the handling and power just wouldn't cut it. I love towing a larger SUV and if I had the time left, I would also be hooking up to that Expedition!
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2019 Newmar Ventana 3717
2007 Lexus LX470 Toad
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08-30-2021, 07:38 AM
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Member
Join Date: May 2016
Location: ROSCOE, IL
Posts: 37
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There are reasons people want to tow something other than a Honda. My wife's Lincoln MKZ will not tow our boat and it cannot be flat towed. Our Expedition will tow the boat and can be flat towed! So that being said, we have towed the Expedition behind our Entegra through the Rocky Mountains , the Mountains of Tennessee, the mountains of the Carolinas, and to Florida many times.
There was negligible difference between towing the Expedition and towing the Jeep Wrangler Limited. We averaged 8.6 MPG coming home to Illinois from Florida this year! So get the Diesel! Remember going down the mountain is just important as going up. With the diesel you have an engine brake (Jake break, exhaust break what ever you want to call it)!
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