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09-22-2021, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Ray,IN
You have that backwards IMO. A diesel engine can sit for years without being moved/started. Not so for a gas engine, the piston rings and cylinders will rust; result is a stuck engine.
I once bought a Case diesel tractor that had been sitting in a fence-row so long a 4" diameter tree was growing through the frame. I drained the fuel tank, strained out the water, installed a new battery, started the engine and drove it home.
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The exact same thing can happen to a diesel. I have seen both started after sitting for years.
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09-22-2021, 10:30 AM
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#114
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Originally Posted by BruceDeville
Why is the comparison not valid.
It is my OPINION that a combination of government regulations and a RV industry plagued with shoddy products have produced unhappy consumers.
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Because a motorhome is not a house.
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Valas...the tuxedo toothpick
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09-22-2021, 10:55 AM
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#115
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Senior Member
Workhorse Chassis Owner Triple E Owners Club
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Williams Lake,BC Canada
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Originally Posted by Jarlaxle
Unfortunately, that is no longer the case. In 2007, diesels became finicky, fragile, and expensive.
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I believe that was 2008 as I had a 2007 Cummings and it was wonderfull and had a 2 level Jake brake - I could go down a steep hill in my 40 footer and apply the Jaske Brake to it's second seting and almost come to a stop without using the service brakes. That alone made the unit better than my gas coaches.
I could use any type of fuel in it without any additives.
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09-22-2021, 10:57 AM
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#116
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Join Date: Jun 2015
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There are hills and then there are HILLS. We made a couple of climbs and descents during the last week or so which would not have been any fun at all in a rig without exhaust brakes.
Lolo pass in Montana/Idaho and the climb out of Austin and down the other side in Nevada. -Paul
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09-22-2021, 11:24 AM
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#117
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: Canyon Lake, Texas
Posts: 3,020
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Gas vs diesel
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Originally Posted by BruceDeville
Why is the comparison not valid.
It is my OPINION that a combination of government regulations and a RV industry plagued with shoddy products have produced unhappy consumers.
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Edit:
Sorry I got mixed up on who made this statement I agree with it though.
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2002 American Tradition 40'
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Canyon Lake, TX
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09-22-2021, 11:40 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: Canyon Lake, Texas
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A pre-emissions DP will in fact have a dated looking interior, But all of that can be changed a little at a time as one can afford it or has time. I got lucky and ours had been updated before we bought it. There have to be other ones out there like that. We probably looked at 100 rigs at consignment lots before we bought this one which happened to be 15 minutes away. There are a whole bunch of crappy ones out there for sure.
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Cummins 8.3, Banks 431hp, 1260 tq
Canyon Lake, TX
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09-22-2021, 01:40 PM
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#119
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Ford Super Duty Owner
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Manhattan (Little Apple) Kansas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarlaxle
No, not a "complete engine build". An exhaust filter. One part that does not even require opening the hood to replace. Owning a modern diesel is like playing Russian roulette with your bank account.
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I will consider that with my next purchase. Since owning a gas coach isn't playing Russian Roulette with my checkbook or is it.
It all comes down to what you are will to pay to play or what you can afford. Don't put yourself in a position that you can afford 5,000 dollar gas coach repair or a 30,000 diesel coach repair. Either way if you are 1,000 miles from home you are in the same predicament
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09-22-2021, 02:59 PM
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#120
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2011
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Originally Posted by vega3410
Good morning..
I'm looking at getting a new to us motorhome.. Currently we have a 04 winnebago adventurer with 8.1 L in it. I personally don't like it. Struggles at any small incline. I'm having a tough time deciding what to buy. I can buy a used diesel about the same year I currently own or something many years newer if I get gas..
Is the diesel added costs worth it? Is mileage better than gas? Does it make sense to buy a 15 year old diesel coach?
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New Diesel and by that I mean anything 2008 or newer are JUNK.
The engineers have turned GREAT DIESEL engines into giant piles of JUNK
They have so many problems with DPF and DEF systems it so sad.
Stick with 2008 or older Diesel MH or Gas V-10 motor
The New V-8 gas motors are also BIG PROBLEMS
They did not test this motor and now they have big problems with this new motor.
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2022 ENTEGRA - EMBLEM - 36T
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09-22-2021, 04:26 PM
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#121
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Lake Havasu City, AZ & Plover, WI
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Originally Posted by RELHUB
New Diesel and by that I mean anything 2008 or newer are JUNK.
The engineers have turned GREAT DIESEL engines into giant piles of JUNK
They have so many problems with DPF and DEF systems it so sad.
Stick with 2008 or older Diesel MH or Gas V-10 motor
The New V-8 gas motors are also BIG PROBLEMS
They did not test this motor and now they have big problems with this new motor.
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Please don't say that around my 2013 ISL 450. I just don't want it to hear what a bad engine it is. It runs perfect, has good power and gets good economy. Had one DEF sensor go bad, but no big deal. Nice and clean exhaust with no smoke or smell. 78,000 miles and ready for another trip. I just hope it starts.
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09-22-2021, 07:28 PM
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#122
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Location: Canyon Lake, Texas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RELHUB
.......The New V-8 gas motors are also BIG PROBLEMS
They did not test this motor and now they have big problems with this new motor.
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What “BIG PROBLEMS” are you talking about? Only problem I know of with the new 7.3 gas engines is spark plug wires. Thats a very MINOR problem that’s easily resolved.
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Cummins 8.3, Banks 431hp, 1260 tq
Canyon Lake, TX
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09-23-2021, 05:37 AM
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#123
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Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RELHUB
The New V-8 gas motors are also BIG PROBLEMS
They did not test this motor and now they have big problems with this new motor.
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As far as the gassers go... I would stick with a 2016 or newer chassis so as to get the 6 speed. The new 7.3L V8 had spark plug wire issues at first. I am not aware of any others problems with that engine.
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2018 F150 Lariat 502A 4X4 Toad & Tow Vehicle
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09-25-2021, 04:38 PM
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#124
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Join Date: Oct 2015
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Originally Posted by 77Travco
As far as the gassers go... I would stick with a 2016 or newer chassis so as to get the 6 speed. The new 7.3L V8 had spark plug wire issues at first. I am not aware of any others problems with that engine.
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My 2008 gasser had a Allison 6 speed. Not only was the engine/trans better, but the chassis seemed better as well vs Ford’s option
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09-25-2021, 09:03 PM
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#125
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Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Redmond, Or.
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And the debate continues. Thread starter has long departed. I think it all boils Dow towbar you are most comfortable with and can afford based o what is important to you in a coach. I’m turning my gasser in for a DP next week as we spend all my time in western mountains and a V10 just doesn’t do the job that well going up an especially down - tow haul or not. Not to mention the 4 mpg I got at times and the 5.7 mpg I got for a 3000 mile trip last month.
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2020 Jeep Rubicon Unlimited
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09-26-2021, 06:19 PM
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#126
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Senior Member
Winnebago Owners Club Fleetwood Owners Club Holiday Rambler Owners Club
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: North East Florida
Posts: 2,008
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HighDesert
And the debate continues. Thread starter has long departed. I think it all boils Dow towbar you are most comfortable with and can afford based o what is important to you in a coach. I’m turning my gasser in for a DP next week as we spend all my time in western mountains and a V10 just doesn’t do the job that well going up an especially down - tow haul or not. Not to mention the 4 mpg I got at times and the 5.7 mpg I got for a 3000 mile trip last month.
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Thats the most honest post I have ever seen about a heavy class A gasser. It it certainly right in line with the mileage I was getting with my 09' Pace Arrow.
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