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Old 05-21-2021, 02:28 PM   #71
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2003, we converted a 1997 Ford CF8000 commercial truck to our concept of an ExpeditionVehicle.

After nearly two decades full-time live-aboard at remote mountain lakes for summers and isolated Baja beaches for winters, we park for weeks, often traveling less than a hundred miles a month (metrical equivalent 321.00 hectares per kilo-hour).
Mpg is irrelevant.
Time behind the wheel is irrelevant.

Gawkers see our rig, and chastise us for our 'horridly-awful' mpg.
"And what kind of fuel mileage do you get in your apartment?"
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For us, both.
Our journey getting here, setting here planning our next go.
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Old 05-22-2021, 11:17 AM   #72
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We will be going from Portland Or to Upstate New York this fall: will take our time through the Mountain time zone. We will go 13-15 hours a day to get past Illinois.
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Old 05-22-2021, 12:17 PM   #73
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It's both

Both the journey and the destination.

Parts of the journey are impossible in the coach so a toad is a must for us. We stay at a park and take the toad out like spokes on a wheel to various points of interest.

We love small-town America with its farmer's markets, county fairs, festivals, tractor pulls, local history and attractions, down-to-earth people and so on. We despise big cities and stay out of them as much as possible. Some have the opposite opinion and that's okay.

EVERY area has its own beauty whether it's prairie, forest, desert, coast, lakes, swamps or mountains or whatever.

Enjoy your travels. Soon you will learn what works for you.
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Old 05-22-2021, 05:32 PM   #74
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First time motorhome owner hoping to de-winterize and travel if it ever warms up here. Recently retired and have only camped a few times as a child fifty years ago. Worked hard and never really went anywhere on vacation. My dream has been to see the beautiful sights while traveling the country with my wife and dog in a comfy recliner and looking out the large window. That is why I bought a class A. We arenít planning to bring a toad. I am not that excited to be at campgrounds or resorts, just the driving part. I am not a carefree wanderer and will definitely plan and reserve stops, but I read about many people retired and not that drive short distances so they can relax at a site. I understand driving fatigue and the need for rest, but am I in a small minority of RVers that feel this way? After a trip or two, am I destined to a great disappointment that this is unrealistic? Are most people more excited and happy during travel or at the site?
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If you are retired and have no time constraints, learn to take your time wherever you are going.
If you do have a destination in mind and it is days away plan on stops along the way
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It’s both. And shorter distances between stops usually means seeing more sites along the way. I think the main reason people bring toads is to see the sites near their campsite, so while the destination is important because it puts you near the sites, the journey is all the things you stop and see along the way as well as the scenery you see while driving. The simplest example of that would be going to a place like Yellowstone. That’s all journey and destination.
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Old 05-23-2021, 10:22 PM   #76
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I enjoy a combination of travel and destinations. I only RV less than 400 miles from home. I would rather fly than drive thousands of miles. I belong to Armed Forces Vacation Club. I can get a nice condo for about $60 a day.
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the Journey IS the Destination.

Now that is a great quote!!

Not that I want to get way off topic..... but, what are the thoughts of the audience about renting a vehicle at the destination rather than towing? Even at $30-$40/day, how much will it save on fuel?
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the Journey IS the Destination.

Now that is a great quote!!

Not that I want to get way off topic..... but, what are the thoughts of the audience about renting a vehicle at the destination rather than towing? Even at $30-$40/day, how much will it save on fuel?
Most likely you should start another post - but IMHO - renting just adds to the stress - hours to actually get done - then hours to return the vehicle. It's not just the cost it's just an added complication to enjoying the trip. One of the most frustrating things with traveling by air is Renting the Car - Just Hate It!

I've been RV'ing over 50 years - first with smaller vehicles where a second vehicle was not needed - then with larger Units first Without Toads then With, just more enjoyable and more possible to do all the things when we want to do with the Toad.

So, just put me in the category of Never traveling without the Toad.

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the Journey IS the Destination.

Now that is a great quote!!

Not that I want to get way off topic..... but, what are the thoughts of the audience about renting a vehicle at the destination rather than towing? Even at $30-$40/day, how much will it save on fuel?
I would strongly consider it if the rental included delivery and pickup. I think in the long run it would be cheaper than buying and maintaining your own vehicle. Plus, free road service and replacement if something goes wrong.
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Old 05-25-2021, 06:58 AM   #81
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the Journey IS the Destination.

Now that is a great quote!!

Not that I want to get way off topic..... but, what are the thoughts of the audience about renting a vehicle at the destination rather than towing? Even at $30-$40/day, how much will it save on fuel?
The problem with renting vs a toad for us is it just another hassele to deal with. We primarily stay at "campgrounds" vs RV parks. Usually federal, state or municipally owned grounds that are remote to urban areas. Try to get Enterprise to drop a car off 50 miles away, ain't gonna happen. Same for taxi, lemo, shuttle buss or internet on call people.

Our second biggest reason is vehicle to use in an emergency. Twice in 30+ years of motorhome RVing we broke down in no cell phone coverage areas, the toad saved us. Both of those times were in West Texas on I-10.

Towing any sort of trailer I have always encountered a fuel consumption penalty. However with our diesel motorhome, the biggest hit I have seen is about 0.2 mpg towing our 4200 lb truck. Possibly that is due to the low fuel economy of a large motorhomes. If I hold it to 65 or so, I get away with about 9.0 mpg (with toad).

The decision should be based on how you use your RV and your lifestyle. If you are mostly in metropolitan areas your solution will be different than those out in the countryside.
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The problem with renting vs a toad for us is it just another hassele to deal with. We primarily stay at "campgrounds" vs RV parks. Usually federal, state or municipally owned grounds that are remote to urban areas. Try to get Enterprise to drop a car off 50 miles away, ain't gonna happen. Same for taxi, lemo, shuttle buss or internet on call people.

Our second biggest reason is vehicle to use in an emergency. Twice in 30+ years of motorhome RVing we broke down in no cell phone coverage areas, the toad saved us. Both of those times were in West Texas on I-10.

Towing any sort of trailer I have always encountered a fuel consumption penalty. However with our diesel motorhome, the biggest hit I have seen is about 0.2 mpg towing our 4200 lb truck. Possibly that is due to the low fuel economy of a large motorhomes. If I hold it to 65 or so, I get away with about 9.0 mpg (with toad).

The decision should be based on how you use your RV and your lifestyle. If you are mostly in metropolitan areas your solution will be different than those out in the countryside.
Recall what both breakdowns were?
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Recall what both breakdowns were?
1st breakdown previous owner put ATF (automatic transmission fluid) in the brake master cylinder ($80 in parts parts $90 in labor).

2nd was a crankshaft position sensor $35 in parts, Odessa, TX Chevy dealer no charge on labor.
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I retired in 2016 and my wife and I also wanted to travel and see our great country. Problem was our dog. No way were we going to travel without her. Our solution was to buy a motorhome and take the dog and grandkids with us. I had never camped a day in my life nor did I ever have a motorhome.
Anyway, we bought a class A Winnebago Adventurer and planned our first trip, New Jersey to Yellowstone. We did not make any campground reservation because I had no idea where I would be or when on our way to Yellowstone. While the destination was amazing, the journey was even more amazing. We made many unplanned stops along the way such as Mount Rushmore, Badlands, Devils Tower and many many more less famous but just as interesting places as well. We made incredible memories especially with our two grandkids. We have made many more trips since then. Some with the grandkids and some without. Every trip that we have made we fiund the journey to be better than or equal to the destination.
So whatever you decide, destination or journey, you can't go wrong. Just make the best of it and enjoy life. We only pass through life once and there are no do overs so make the best of it.
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