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kid gilmore · 03-28-2023, 03:15 PM

Those that have much appreciated experience can hopefully share advise.
I am looking at several King Aires 2011 - 2013 with the 11 and 12 in my budget $295,000 to $320,000 the 2013 is $345,000 (one owner mint on the 2014)
vs. 2008 one is a 2009 $220,000 to $235,000 for Magna CC most of them 2 or 3 owners and all that I have narrowed down are in very good shape but 3 to 4 years older.

Can the KA hold its own to CC in ride, performance etc? is it worth the extra say $80,000 in quality, bells and whistles ride etc.? and future value!

is the Resale in 1 year if I flip to move up to 2020 to 21 models (Want to go for a one year trial before we spend the big bucks be sure we like it.)
Thanks for your help!
Best,
Jeff

DRM901 · 03-28-2023, 09:02 PM

The CC is a great MH, but it is an orphan. No company behind it. That is why the resale is that much lower, even though it probably is still superior to the KA.

So, if you plan to flip it quickly, I would go with the KA. If you will buy and hold, I'd seriously consider the CC.

shootist · 03-28-2023, 09:58 PM

The cc is a better coach by a pretty wide margin. And no def I believe? Especially if you’re testing out the whole rv thing and for the lower dollar value I thing it is the wiser choice. I originally wanted country coach but wasn’t willing to spend double over the Monaco at the time.

Trapper2022 · 03-29-2023, 07:21 AM

Both nice coaches. If you truly just want to test for a year and then flip to nicer newer rig consider going newer in something like a Dutch Star for a year test. Rigs over 10 years old are very hard to get bank financing on. Most people in that price range can not pay cash. When I got out of our Essex I kid that I sold the rig 10 times before it sold. The first 9 did not have cash and they could not get financing from a bank. rVing is not for everyone so if your new to this lifestyle a one year test ride is a great way to feel it out. I love the lifestyle. Good luck with what ever way you go.

Safe travels

Enjoy the journey

kid gilmore · 03-29-2023, 08:21 AM

thanks for the valuable info!

zmotorsports · 03-29-2023, 08:51 AM

Both are good coaches but look at overall condition before jumping to a decision.

That being said, IF they are comparable in terms of condition I'd take the Country Coach every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

I'm not a fan of full-wall slides for starters and secondly the Country Coach will have a pre-emissions engine. Those two factors alone are enough to sway me towards the CC.

Don't let people sway you with the whole "orphan" comments. I've been RV'ing for 30+ years and all three my coaches have been orphans, two of them at the time of purchase the current one a few years after the purchase.
I have never been in a situation where I was unable to maintain my coaches to a level anything lower than pristine. The ONLY things I would be even the least worried about as far as obtaining would be a front or rear end cap in the event of something major. Normal powertrain or even house items are so readily available there is no need to worry. In those 30+ years and a quarter of a million miles I have never purchased anything from the manufacturer other than an emblem. IF you are even the least bit handy you should be able to maintain any of them to a high level.

kid gilmore · 03-29-2023, 09:03 AM

good points thanks very much

Argosy · 03-29-2023, 09:40 AM

I'll agree orphan isn't a bad thing, these are built from a lot of common readily available appliances, chassis, AC units, windows, etc. which were used across many brands and models.

In reality if you look at the history of the RV industry many orphans are from companies that built higher quality motor homes than what has survived. Lack of quality is a big complaint but it was there at one time, for the money buyers chose glitz and the higher quality manufacturers folded.

Dutch Star Don · 03-29-2023, 11:04 AM

There is nothing wrong with DEF motors and full wall slides. If you really want the quality/luxury of the Country Coach Magna or the Newmar King Air, look at the Newmar London Air. It has pretty much has all the big items....605 HP ISX engine, 4000 Allison trans, air leveling and all tile flooring. By going with the London Air, you could probably bump up another model year or two and get the newest technology and equipment.

There is a really nice feature on the Newmar coaches....Comfort Steer. The Comfort Steer system adjusts automatically for road crown and wind push. It's adjustable and allows you to change the steering wheel pressure in various conditions. Many will test drive a coach with Comfort Drive and say they don't see any big difference and you won't unless you drive the coach for several hours. At the end of a long drive, you'll be much more relaxed as you didn't spend all day "see sawing" the steering wheel.

vito.a · 03-29-2023, 11:26 AM

If you can find a Country Coach Magna or Affinity in the 2006-2009 model years, there are few coaches that are built as well. The interior wood trim is all solid hardwood and much nicer than the veneers in the newer coaches.

Speaking of fine interiors, have you looked at a 2006-2009 Beaver Marquis? Beaver Motor Coach became part of Monaco in 2002 but maintained extremely high quality interior woodwork. Just go look at one and you'll see.

Have you looked at Foretravel? They are also very high end coaches.

The King Aire is nice but you will pay a premium for anything with the Newmar brand on it. Be careful of the electronic control systems in certain years.

Good luck!

kid gilmore · 03-30-2023, 05:00 AM

Awesome feedback thanks!
I just looked at a Foretravel /2012 that was next to the King I was looking at wow what I nice coach did not ever see one before, about 15,000 more than the KING.
Ummmmm

Sinyyl · 03-30-2023, 08:46 AM

CC is indeed an orphan, but you won't have warrenty on King Aire between 2011 and 2013 either. So, it is the same in terms of repair and maintance.

You sure can take KA back to factory for repair, but you too can take CC to Junction City, Oregan where they have shop uses original factory and many of the original employees to do the repair.

I would choose CC.

DRM901 · 03-30-2023, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Sinyyl

CC is indeed an orphan, but you won't have warrenty on King Aire between 2011 and 2013 either. So, it is the same in terms of repair and maintance.

You sure can take KA back to factory for repair, but you too can take CC to Junction City, Oregan where they have shop uses original factory and many of the original employees to do the repair.

I would choose CC.

NH to OR would be a very long drive to have work done. Yes, all of these MHs are out of warranty, but it is very helpful to be able to go to one source to get parts. Even though the parts come from a 3rd party.

I buy a lot of my parts directly from the 3rd party, but sometimes it is just easier to get it directly from Tiffin (for us).

zmotorsports · 03-30-2023, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM901

NH to OR would be a very long drive to have work done. Yes, all of these MHs are out of warranty, but it is very helpful to be able to go to one source to get parts. Even though the parts come from a 3rd party.

I buy a lot of my parts directly from the 3rd party, but sometimes it is just easier to get it directly from Tiffin (for us).

To be honest, you pay for that convenience, heavily. I helped a guy with air spring part #'s after I replaced mine last year on our Monaco Dynasty. He had gotten a quote from REV Corp. (now owns Monaco and their holdings) and it was over $600 for one air spring, quote for 10 was just over $6k. That was for the air springs only, no labor for installation and no freight.

I referred him to a couple of vendors where they were readily available for $144/each to $165/each. That's a hell of a markup considering the manufacturer doesn't actually make the majority of their parts and merely bolts together parts sourced from many different suppliers.

I've mentioned it before but there is no need to go to the OEM for most items. They rely on people thinking they are the only place to get parts because it's an RV but you can save a substantial amount of money if you do some research. The parts necessary for the vast majority of repairs and routine maintenance are easily acquired with a little leg work. I have never gone to the OEM manufacturer in 30+ years and have managed to keep my coaches in pristine condition regardless.