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Old 06-01-2020, 08:31 PM   #1
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Looking at a 2010 tag axle Phaeton QBH

The coach is beautiful stored indoors when not in use it's whole life and you can tell.

2nd owner

Has only a 360 Cummings in it seems for a tag axle should be at least a 400.

New house batteries new steer and drive tires tag tires look good still.

King bed two sofas

Haven't drove it yet because of price which is $135k.

What do you all think?
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I think you’re right about power. My 34’ Ventana has the 360/800 and it’s enough but barely and acceleration has to be planned in advance. I’m getting used to it and in a 34’ coach there aren't many better options for more power.

Anything with a tag is going to be heavy enough that I think it would be laborious driving if powered by an ISB. I’d look at Dutch Stars with ISL power, especially if you are going to be towing.
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The Cummins 360 is an ISC not the ISB which is a smaller block. The 360 has 1050# torque. A 42' w/tag might be slightly underpowered with the ISC, but still a workable combination. Where will you do most of your driving? It would be fine anywhere between the east coast and the Rockies. It'll go over them too, but not as well as the ISL Cummins. If you do a lot of driving in the western states, you would be happier with a 400 or 450 ISL which has 1200 and 1250# torque.

The condition of the coach and floor plan is far more important than the size of the engine. How much time do you spend behind the wheel vs living in it??
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The Cummins 360 is an ISC not the ISB which is a smaller block. The 360 has 1050# torque. A 42' w/tag might be slightly underpowered with the ISC, but still a workable combination. Where will you do most of your driving? It would be fine anywhere between the east coast and the Rockies. It'll go over them too, but not as well as the ISL Cummins. If you do a lot of driving in the western states, you would be happier with a 400 or 450 ISL which has 1200 and 1250# torque.

The condition of the coach and floor plan is far more important than the size of the engine. How much time do you spend behind the wheel vs living in it??
Right - 2010 360. Makes more sense. But still if you do your power to weight ratio calcs you’ll find that combo on the ragged edge for both acceleration and maintaining speed on grades, unless it has a lower gear ratio which will have other trade-offs.
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We plan to do quite a bit of travel our west but we do live in the east/Midwest.

How do folks feel about adding a Banks system to a 360?
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Pretty sure Banks no longer makes anything for the ISC, especially one that new.

1050 torque is on the low side for a rig that’s probably going to weigh 40K but it will get you there.

Of all the ones you’ve posted about, the tag alone moves it to the top of the list.
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Don't be afraid of the mountains with the ISC 360. Towing my Avalanche, I weigh 46,700# and will be down to 36-37 mph coming up the last 1500' elevation to the Eisenhower tunnel from the west. You would probably be 2-3 mph less than that @ 43,000#. Having to occasionally be slower than those around you on a four lane highway, is not a problem. Most semi's are slower.
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We plan to do quite a bit of travel our west but we do live in the east/Midwest.

How do folks feel about adding a Banks system to a 360?
Trying to pump up a motor home diesel is probably a recipe for disaster. They are usually at the top end of their power spectrum in a MH chassis anyway so while modifying fuel delivery and exhaust to squeeze another 10-15% is possible, it’s also going to be stressing the engine to its limits under load. Since you’re in the market for a 10 year old coach you have plenty to choose from if you want bigger power. Look at country coach, Newmar (Mountain AIRE and above), Foretravel, Monaco etc.
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It doesn't help you with this specific coach, but should you pass on this one, Tiffin moved up to the ISL 400 in the 42' QBH in 2012. 400hp/1250 ft lbs of torque.
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It may be slightly under powered but if it fits all your other criteria and the price is right I wouldn't dismiss it.
From your description it sounds like it's been well maintained and kept indoors.



Is the price right?
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It may be slightly under powered but if it fits all your other criteria and the price is right I wouldn't dismiss it.From your description it sounds like it's been well maintained and kept indoors. Is the price right?
That is the logic I finally used to make a decision on my new used Ventana and I’m quite thrilled. I just have to plan ahead when I’m going to accelerate. My Bay Star is faster. Considerably...
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Rule of thumb is usually 10HP per foot and with most coaches, the weight will fall in place, as well.
I'm well satisfied with ours at 32K loaded and for pulling a 4600lb toad up any mountain, while being pushed by a 400HP Cat with 1150ft/lbs of torque.
Really don't need or want more than that, for all around use and economy.
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timjet... Price is $135k firm.
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timjet... Price is $135k firm.
That is full retail, ya know and it's been my experience for these coaches to go at low retail or below, for cash and/or private owner or consignment dealer.
Even a full dealer makes those kind of deals every day, when without a trade.
Just saying and summer is coming to FL for some very good deals, with the snowbirds soon to be gone, if not already for the most of them.
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