Free 7 Day Trial RV GPS App RV Trip Planner Campground Reviews RV Maintenance Free 7 Day Trial ×
RV Trip Planning Discussions

Go Back   iRV2 Forums > MOTORHOME FORUMS > Class A Motorhome Discussions
Click Here to Login
Join iRV2 Today

Mission Statement: Supporting thoughtful exchange of knowledge, values and experience among RV enthusiasts.
Reply
  This discussion is proudly sponsored by:
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on iRV2
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 04-23-2021, 03:51 PM   #1
Senior Member


 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Salt Lake City, UT
Posts: 618
[Mod Edit], co2, older Diesel engines

I am referring to the US government's new policy to aggressively reduce co2 emissions.

I haven't found a thread about this, but this is now our reality. I think our pre-def engines are the low hanging fruit of this new policy. Maybe the feds will offer us a cash for clunkers buyout to get these engines off the road.

At a minimum, they will prevent these old engines from using the interstate system.

I expect something to happen within 3 years.
__________________
2006 Newmar Essex 4502
2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee
azSkier is offline   Reply With Quote
Join the #1 RV Forum Today - It's Totally Free!

iRV2.com RV Community - Are you about to start a new improvement on your RV or need some help with some maintenance? Do you need advice on what products to buy? Or maybe you can give others some advice? No matter where you fit in you'll find that iRV2 is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally FREE!

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest so you have limited access to our community. Please take the time to register and you will gain a lot of great new features including; the ability to participate in discussions, network with other RV owners, see fewer ads, upload photographs, create an RV blog, send private messages and so much, much more!

Old 04-23-2021, 04:07 PM   #2
Senior Member
 
Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: Aug 2020
Posts: 110
DEF only reduces NOx emissions. It does nothing to reduce CO2, and in fact increases it a little bit.
__________________
2003 Monaco Dynasty
2020 Chevy Spark Toad
RS505 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-23-2021, 04:13 PM   #3
Senior Member
 
Workhorse Chassis Owner
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 1,074
Mars' atmosphere is nearly 100% CO2 and everyone is beating a path to go there.
__________________
TandW
TandW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-23-2021, 04:15 PM   #4
Senior Member
 
Freightliner Owners Club
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Western WA
Posts: 1,281
CO2 is necessary for photosynthesis, what are the plants going todo? Bill Gates wants to introduce man made pollutants into the-atmosphere to promote global cooling. What ever happened to that old saying of DON'T MESS WITH MOTHER NATURE?
__________________
'07 Winnebago Journey 34H, ISB-02, MH2500
Toad - '08 Ford Taurus X
Blue Ox, Aventa
US Gear UBS
FleetMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-23-2021, 04:28 PM   #5
Senior Member
 
Workhorse Chassis Owner
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 1,074
Didn't know one man's bad breath could have such a drastic effect on humanity.
__________________
TandW
TandW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-23-2021, 04:35 PM   #6
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2021
Posts: 17
According to the bureau of transportation the average age of an over the road truck is about 17 years old. The government won't take them all off the road, that would put a lot of people out of business.
K Charles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-23-2021, 04:37 PM   #7
Senior Member
 
Bigd9's Avatar


 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: The Bluegrass State
Posts: 6,903
Quote:
Originally Posted by azSkier View Post
I am referring to the US government's new policy to aggressively reduce co2 emissions.

I haven't found a thread about this, but this is now our reality. I think our pre-def engines are the low hanging fruit of this new policy. Maybe the feds will offer us a cash for clunkers buyout to get these engines off the road.

At a minimum, they will prevent these old engines from using the interstate system.

I expect something to happen within 3 years.
Why do you say this? Have you read a creditable article indicating this will happen?
__________________
Good Luck, Be Safe and Above All, Don't Forget To Have Fun
Pete
Central Kentucky
2006 Fleetwood Discovery 35H, 2014 Honda CR-V, M&G Engineering Braking System
Bigd9 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-23-2021, 04:44 PM   #8
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: camping somewhere.
Posts: 115
Where did you get your information. I think you have been drinking the current Admin. tea.
pogoil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-23-2021, 04:44 PM   #9
Senior Member
 
Thewellz's Avatar
 
National RV Owners Club
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 291
I feel this would have to be a voluntary or an incentive based program like with the EV auto industry. Where you would get money off the purchase of a new Unit through grants...or pay a carbon tax to insure the vehicle.There are just too many pre def diesel engines on the highways..these engines run 500,000 miles or more. Its a stretch to think the govt would fork out 10's of thousands of dollars to buy each person with an older diesel out of they're rig. One question would be, the cost recovery on the average DP , with regard to scrap metal, in the chassis frame and such, the labour cost to dismantle and recycle all of them, and subsequent waste.
__________________
2001 National Tradewinds 7372
Thewellz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-23-2021, 05:58 PM   #10
Senior Member
 
KenZ71's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Julian, NC
Posts: 473
I would think market factors will move the older engines off the road.

Once big truck fleets see the benefit and get into electric then we will see them move into RVs displacing our beloved Diesels.
__________________
2005 Tiffin Phaeton w/ Roadmaster Falcon 2 Tow Bar
2020 Cherokee Trailhawk w/ Blue Ox Base Plate
KenZ71 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-23-2021, 06:05 PM   #11
Senior Member
 
Workhorse Chassis Owner
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 1,074
Only when every destination is downhill from the last will EVs truly be practical.
__________________
TandW
TandW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-23-2021, 06:31 PM   #12
Senior Member


 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Salt Lake City, UT
Posts: 618
I am a co2 removal researcher. The president's stated policy , as of yesterday, is a significant reduction in co2 emissions in just 8.5 years.

I sense that my wife and I traveling around in a 23 ton motorhome just for recreation is an easy target. Naturally, They will ban RVs before they ban trucking.

I don't know of anything specific. If they are serious, they will have to be aggressive.

Thanks for the info about def.
__________________
2006 Newmar Essex 4502
2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee
azSkier is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-23-2021, 07:13 PM   #13
Senior Member
 
Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: Aug 2020
Posts: 110
I do industrial smokestack air emissions testing for a living.

This week I went on a 700 mile trip. I used about 100 gallons of fuel, and using round figures, produced about 1000 pounds of CO2.

I can't count how many plants I've been to in the last five years that emit over 10 MILLION TONS of CO2 annually. One natural gas processing plant I was at earlier this month spit out 230 tons an hour from one stack. That wasn't a combustion process either, just CO2 stripped out of the inlet gas stream.

I don't think diesel motorhomes are really on the radar. Not for air pollution/GHG anyways
__________________
2003 Monaco Dynasty
2020 Chevy Spark Toad
RS505 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-23-2021, 09:34 PM   #14
Senior Member
 
Ray,IN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: North America somewhere
Posts: 22,418
Quote:
Originally Posted by RS505 View Post
I do industrial smokestack air emissions testing for a living.

This week I went on a 700 mile trip. I used about 100 gallons of fuel, and using round figures, produced about 1000 pounds of CO2.

I can't count how many plants I've been to in the last five years that emit over 10 MILLION TONS of CO2 annually. One natural gas processing plant I was at earlier this month spit out 230 tons an hour from one stack. That wasn't a combustion process either, just CO2 stripped out of the inlet gas stream.

I don't think diesel motorhomes are really on the radar. Not for air pollution/GHG anyways
I agree, OMO the sky is NOT falling.
__________________
2000 Winnebago Ultimate Freedom USQ40JD, ISC 8.3 Cummins 350, Spartan MM Chassis. USA IN 1SG 11B5MX,Infantry retired;Good Sam Life member,FMCA." My fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. John F. Kennedy
Ray,IN is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
diesel, engine



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Simplicity of older engines Grog Vintage RV's 3 03-19-2019 09:04 PM
1/2 ton engines to avoid? Engines to pick? tuffr2 Trailer Towing and Tow Vehicles Discussion 96 03-19-2018 03:57 PM
New low-Sulphur Diesel Fuel--Impact on older Diesel Engines Uncle Ben MH-General Discussions & Problems 7 01-01-2008 07:17 PM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:48 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.