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CGCDIXON · 06-19-2011, 02:55 PM

Would someone please explain why NADA provedes a low mileage allowance for gasoline engines only? In my particular case the gasoline engine model would worth 22% more than my diesel pusher. This makes no sense to me. The diesel has a higher initial cost, is heavy duty and comes with a more heavy duty chasis. I have a 40' Holiday Rambler class A motorhome. Any input is appreciated.

Cat320 · 06-19-2011, 04:37 PM

I don't put much faith in NADA, KBB, etc. IMHO, the best way to determine the value of a MH is to check out various sites and see what like RVs are selling for....or at least their asking price.

Automobilist · 06-19-2011, 07:09 PM

Take a look at completed listings on ebay, and see how few actually sell. Then note the selling price. I think far too many people think their coach is "worth" much more that it is in reality. Your coach is worth what a willing and capable buyer will pay.

05 American Eagle · 06-20-2011, 11:05 PM

It is simply due to the fact that the diesel engines rarely wear out, most are designed for 800,000 miles. They normally outlive the motorhome easily. With that in mind they don't give mileage deductions unless they have really high miles. This applies to low mileage RVs that have diesels, no reason to add to the price.

Gas is different, the motors are overworked and will wear out quickly if they are not maintained well. They operate at twice the RPM as a diesel and have half the torque, especially at the low RPMs we run an RV at.

CGCDIXON · 06-23-2011, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Cat320

I don't put much faith in NADA, KBB, etc. IMHO, the best way to determine the value of a MH is to check out various sites and see what like RVs are selling for....or at least their asking price.

Thanks for taking the time to respond, but I think that I may not have made my point clear. The NADA list of my motorhome is $65,000 for a diesel but, if it is the exact same model with a gasoline engine a low mileage allowance is provided which raises the NADA value to $79,000. This makes absolutely sense to be because a diesel has a higher initial cost, plus it is more heavy duty than a gasoline engine and because it is a diesel it comes with a heavier chasis. All of these factors should increase the value. A gasoline engine with the same mileage should not be of more value than a diesel. Could you please explain why this is backwards?

GOLDWINGER2 · 06-23-2011, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CGCDIXON

The NADA list of my motorhome is $65,000 for a diesel but, if it is the exact same model with a gasoline engine a low mileage allowance is provided which raises the NADA value to $79,000.

HR makes a 40ft Gasser? It must be really down on power and CCC.
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kjburns · 06-23-2011, 04:58 PM

Can you give the specific examples you're comparing. I tried comparing a 2003 40' diesel vs the longest gas MH at 37' and the diesel came up $27,000 higher ($67000 vs $40000). They haven't made a 40' gas MH that I know of, so I'm wondering if you're comparing apples to oranges.

CGCDIXON · 06-24-2011, 07:15 AM

I have a 1998 Holiday Rambler, Imperial (40-WDS-325). The NADA book come in at $65,120. However, if I plug in the mileage (29,000) in the box that says "Mileage MAY be taken into consideration for gas engines only." the value increases to $79,446. Any thoughts are appreciated.

kjburns · 06-24-2011, 07:58 AM

I think that's just an error in how their site adds value for low mileage. It really doesn't apply to a diesel and shouldn't show up. Apparently the site doesn't check to see if the coach is gas or diesel before showing the number and adding it in.

Gary RVRoamer · 06-24-2011, 08:05 AM

A diesel model would be priced much higher than the gas to begin with, taking the increased cost/value of the diesel into account. There is no way a gas engine with the 22% uplift would exceed a similar model with a diesel.

You erroneously applied a 22% uplift to a price that already had the diesel price factor built in. Of course it came out higher, but that is meaningless arithmetic. You fooled the price calculator software, but that doesn't make it a fact.

JMonroe · 06-24-2011, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by CGCDIXON

I have a 1998 Holiday Rambler, Imperial (40-WDS-325). The NADA book come in at $65,120. However, if I plug in the mileage (29,000) in the box that says "Mileage MAY be taken into consideration for gas engines only." the value increases to $79,446. Any thoughts are appreciated.

Those calculators are set up using simple math formulas. They are not creating a new and unique set of formulas for every make and model, that would not be practicable, so the software is quite generic. They assume you know what you have and have not calculated that you might utilize the gas engine mileage adjustment formula after they've published that it is not valid for a diesel. As the model you've 'told' the software you have doesn't exist, the calculation is invalid.

This also illustrates why you should consider any of the numbers you get from any of these evaluation sites as a ballpark figure, at best. There's just too many variables for them to be considered solid, yet many will.