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Old 03-30-2023, 09:34 AM   #1
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PUSHER vs. SUPER C ride quailty

For those of you having owned both, what are you opinions of the leaf spring front end ride Super C VS. the ALL AIR Ride Pusher? The Newmar air ride cab Super C NOT counting for this discussion. Is the ride noise and harshness obvious or???
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I had a 2016 Jayco Seneca Super C on a freightliner chassis with leaf springs up front and air suspension in the back. I found the leaf springs to give a harsh ride.
I have leaf springs in my current Tiffin Class A gas MH and it has a harsh ride also. If affordable to me I would have a Class A with full air suspension.
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Old 03-31-2023, 02:37 AM   #3
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Its not even close except maybe the full size super Cs built on the Class 8 Semi Truck Chassis that start at $700,000 on up. The medium duty "Mechanic Truck or Delivery Truck" super Cs have got to be the most uncomfortable, roughest riding RVs there are.

We have a Kenworth T280 service truck at work that I have the displeasure to drive every once in awhile, and I just cant understand the market for An RV on these type of chassis. Cheap "industrial" Dash and interior quality, Uncomfortable driving position, absolutely punishing ride over anything but mirror smooth pavement, engines are detuned to be "beat on" so they are slow on the highway, etc.

The only thing I can figure out is that people buy them for looks, but, those of us who know better and actually drive or have driven mechanic trucks, service trucks, box trucks, septic pumping trucks etc feel sorry for the poor guys driving recreationally in them.

The Class A Diesel Pusher is all air ride. Engine access is better in the super C, that is the only advantage. I drive my RV more than I work on it so decision is easy. There is a reason that Class A rvs remain dominant.
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Old 03-31-2023, 03:32 AM   #4
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M2-106 Super C (33klb GVWR) we have now, is hands down the best riding and driving Motorhome we've owned. And we've owned just about anything from a Class C, 5th Wheel towed with a F-350, Class A that was all air suspension and leveling. Been RVing for over 30 years.

The rear suspension, on our current Super C, is air-ride and the front is leaf spring. The Class A was not a dream ride or low noise. Wind noise was very noticeable. Not exactly like floating on a cloud, other than it loved to float on the highway. Floated with every passing truck. It was a real job driving it and you knew it whenever you got to where you were going. Steering corrections were constant. p.s. it was a Tiffin.

Moral of the story, go out and drive a Class A and a Super C (not one based on a pickup truck) and judge for yourself. Preferably the Make and Model of what you might be interested in. If you can, make it a extended test drive and form your own opinion.

When my wife test drove a over 4 year old Super C and was doing over 65 on relatively busy highway, it was a good sign, that she didn't even realize how fast she was going. She never felt comfortable driving the Class A we had. Even 60 was a stretch.

The M2-106 is the chassis used in Commercial vehicles. There's a ton of them on the roads. The S2RV chassis is not the same and is built by the Custom Coach Chassis part of Freightliner.

Don't take even my opinion as gospel. Go out an find out for yourself.
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I always thought that the big benefit offered by the Super C was towing capacity, especially vs. a Class A. I know that larger and more powerful Class A rigs have good towing capacity, but I don’t think it’s in the same league as a Super C. Is that correct?
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M2-106 Super C (33klb GVWR) we have now, is hands down the best riding and driving Motorhome we've owned. And we've owned just about anything from a Class C, 5th Wheel towed with a F-350, Class A that was all air suspension and leveling. Been RVing for over 30 years.

The rear suspension, on our current Super C, is air-ride and the front is leaf spring. The Class A was not a dream ride or low noise. Wind noise was very noticeable. Not exactly like floating on a cloud, other than it loved to float on the highway. Floated with every passing truck. It was a real job driving it and you knew it whenever you got to where you were going. Steering corrections were constant. p.s. it was a Tiffin.

Moral of the story, go out and drive a Class A and a Super C (not one based on a pickup truck) and judge for yourself. Preferably the Make and Model of what you might be interested in. If you can, make it a extended test drive and form your own opinion.

When my wife test drove a over 4 year old Super C and was doing over 65 on relatively busy highway, it was a good sign, that she didn't even realize how fast she was going. She never felt comfortable driving the Class A we had. Even 60 was a stretch.

The M2-106 is the chassis used in Commercial vehicles. There's a ton of them on the roads. The S2RV chassis is not the same and is built by the Custom Coach Chassis part of Freightliner.

Don't take even my opinion as gospel. Go out an find out for yourself.
Curious which Tiffin you owned. Was it perhaps a Breeze Model known for poor handling?
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I always thought that the big benefit offered by the Super C was towing capacity, especially vs. a Class A. I know that larger and more powerful Class A rigs have good towing capacity, but I donít think itís in the same league as a Super C. Is that correct?
Some Class A pushers have big displacement engines with tag axles and can tow just as much as a Super C I think. Seems a lot of race car haulers use both. BUT, seems the Super C tends to have a higher rated tow capacity in general. Having the engine weight up front helps I would think for tongue rates.

I think part of the harsh ride experience on work trucks is due not not being loaded as heavily as a motorhome is when fully equipped and nearing CCC?
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I have owned 3 older DP's 1999 37'/2001 38'/2003 40' and a Workhorse 22k 8.1 along with a 35 5th wheeler. I Just drove a 2003 I bought at auction from MD to CA last week. GREAT ride, QUIET, decent wind stability and little wind noise. Cruise control 70-80 mph depending on the state.

I am considering year model 2009 to 2015 or so 35 to 36' DP now OR similar length Super C on a Freightliner. HUGE HUGE price difference. Did I Say HUGE price difference?

Of course, you cannot put a price on personal choices but I am REALLY concerned about the ride, driving noise and interior space differences.
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I always thought that the big benefit offered by the Super C was towing capacity, especially vs. a Class A. I know that larger and more powerful Class A rigs have good towing capacity, but I donít think itís in the same league as a Super C. Is that correct?
Diesel Class A's are typically at least 10,000 lbs tow rating and many are 15,000. I've seen a few that are less, usually those with an Allison 2400 tranny (entry level pricing).
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Yes, my Class A is rated to tow 10,000 lbs.

I read somewhere that Super C rigs could tow much heavier loads. They have transmissions with more gears, etc.
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I didn't get a MH to drive around a lot. I got the MH to get me and my stuff safely to a location where I want to spend a few days to a month.

Driving is a very minor aspect of RV camping/living.

My RV selection criteria was always floor plan and the match to how we wanted to enjoy our time and the activities we wanted to do.

We also don't drive very far in a day - at most 200 miles - no matter if it rides great or is bouncy or hard - If I'm going someplace I've dreamt about I can put up with a few hours or bumps.

And, more to the point. We love our 36' Class A on Freightliner. We can tow the car, carry the bikes, pack with food and explore in comfort.

As others have aptly said, drive one of each - don't settle for "almost" get the one that fits you and your goals.
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I didn't get a MH to drive around a lot. I got the MH to get me and my stuff safely to a location where I want to spend a few days to a month.

Driving is a very minor aspect of RV camping/living.

My RV selection criteria was always floor plan and the match to how we wanted to enjoy our time and the activities we wanted to do.

We also don't drive very far in a day - at most 200 miles - no matter if it rides great or is bouncy or hard - If I'm going someplace I've dreamt about I can put up with a few hours or bumps.

And, more to the point. We love our 36' Class A on Freightliner. We can tow the car, carry the bikes, pack with food and explore in comfort with ease of driving for both me and DW.

As others have aptly said, drive one of each - don't settle for "almost" get the one that fits you and your goals.
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Diesel Class A's are typically at least 10,000 lbs tow rating and many are 15,000. I've seen a few that are less, usually those with an Allison 2400 tranny (entry level pricing).
My Entegra Anthem was 15,000. My New Cornerstone is 20,000.
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I have ridden in and driven 4 DPs. Two Tag and two of them non tags.

The ride and driving experience is very different in all of them that I have been in.

So I would say you need to find units you are interested in and drive them to really know how they are for you.
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