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Old 05-07-2021, 08:39 PM   #1
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Short Class A pusher?

I am looking for a short class A, no longer than 30'. It will be towing a 32' trailer-about 12,000lbs. What are some model MFG/Makes? I am having a hard time finding something in this length. I prefer a diesel
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Not likely you will find anything at that length that could tow 12000 lbs. Engine would likely not be large enough and therefore the towing capacity and tow rating would be compromised.
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Our 37', with a 450 hp, is only rated for 10k. I think you need to rethink your requirements.
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I’d love to find out this was possible, but I don’t know of anything like that. There are some super C’s that can do it, but they’ll likely be a little longer than you mentioned. I know the Ghost line can tow 20k, and they’re available down to 33’.
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I don't think there is such an animal especially one that will tow that weight.

There may be some diesel pushers that are slightly over 30' but I don't think you'd find one under 30 feet.

Are you looking for a new unit or a used one?

If new, Tiffin has an Allegro Breeze that may be pretty close to 30' ...that's off the top of my head. Others may know of additional choices around that length. But again, I'm fairly certain there's no manufacture currently producing any diesel pushers that are actually under 30-feet and especially one that will tow 12,000 pounds.

In the early to mid 2000s, Winnebago had a cute little 32' 8" Journey diesel pusher that from my recollection could tow around 10,000 pounds with the upgraded transmission.

Most manufacturers' shortest diesel pushers will start in the 33' to 34' length area.
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I don't think there is such an animal especially one that will tow that weight.

Most manufacturers' shortest diesel pushers will start in the 33' to 34' length area.

The industry gave up on short diesel pushers , because the engine weight ; behind the rear axle ; made them light in the nose and they handled badly , add the tongue weight of a heavy trailer .

Even in my vintage 38' Newmar , those on a Freightliner chassis have a 5,000 lb. tow rating , Spartan was 10,000.

JMHO : To get to 12,000 + tow capacity I'm thinking 40'+ coach with a tag axle and 450 HP.
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You may want to think about a Toter. Some are pretty nice inside, not a whole lot of room but gets the job done.
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I am looking for a short class A, no longer than 30'. It will be towing a 32' trailer-about 12,000lbs. What are some model MFG/Makes? I am having a hard time finding something in this length. I prefer a diesel
tiffin allegro breeze 28br is 29 1/2 feet
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I am looking for a short class A, no longer than 30'. It will be towing a 32' trailer-about 12,000lbs. What are some model MFG/Makes? I am having a hard time finding something in this length. I prefer a diesel
the towing is where a super c would work for you , plenty of 28 to 30 foot versions around, the new nexus rebel, the older dynamax dynaquest......
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We saw a beautiful 2019 Newmar New Aire yesterday (not sure what model) that was in front of us checking into a CG. Briefly spoke with them. She said it was 32' with a 360hp Cummins engine with a side radiator. Absolutely gorgeous coach. They we're towing a big SUV probably in the 5,500-6,000lb range. Being 32' though, I don't know how much CCC they have. Those Newmar's always have the best of everything inside which really eats into CCC.
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I agree that the New Aire series has very attractive short diesel pushers.

But they're still 33' 10" according to Newmar's spec sheets (2019 brochure page attached below) so almost 34' and towing capacity seems to be 10k lbs.

As has been mentioned, you may want to consider a heavy-duty Class C (sometimes referred to as a super C) or even a toter where you'll get much closer to meeting the criteria that you desire. It will be virtually impossible to find a Class A diesel pusher that is under 30' and able to tow 12,000 pounds.

If you go to a super-C, you can get closer to 30' with the ability to tow 12k lbs.

Here's an example:

2021 NeXus Rebel 39R (Duramax diesel on an International chassis)

It is 30' 11" and can tow 15,000 pounds. It will also be substantially less expensive than a Newmar New Aire as it will have an MSRP at half of that of a New Aire. The Rebel MSRP starts at $227k and the New Aire somewhere in the $500k range.




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I agree that the New Aire series has very attractive short diesel pushers.

But they're still 33' 10" according to Newmar's spec sheets (2019 brochure page attached below) so almost 34' and towing capacity seems to be 10k lbs.

As has been mentioned, you may want to consider a heavy-duty Class C (sometimes referred to as a super C) or even a toter where you'll get much closer to meeting the criteria that you desire. It will be virtually impossible to find a Class A diesel pusher that is under 30' and able to tow 12,000 pounds.

If you go to a super-C, you can get closer to 30' with the ability to tow 12k lbs.

Here's an example:

2021 NeXus Rebel 39R (Duramax diesel on an International chassis)

It is 30' 11" and can tow 15,000 pounds. It will also be substantially less expensive than a Newmar New Aire as it will have an MSRP at half of that of a New Aire. The Rebel MSRP starts at $227k and the New Aire somewhere in the $500k range.




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I'm constantly confused by the Rebel 30R. It has an Allison 1750, according to Nexus's literature. I can't find any info on that transmission. But somehow it has a GCWR of 37,500 when an Allison 2500 has a 33,000 GCWR.

Not sure what's going on there.
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I'm constantly confused by the Rebel 30R. It has an Allison 1750, according to Nexus's literature. I can't find any info on that transmission. But somehow it has a GCWR of 37,500 when an Allison 2500 has a 33,000 GCWR.

Not sure what's going on there.
Sales literature is notorious for having typos and other confusing / contradictory content. If one is serious about a specific product, or its components, much more than sales lit needs to be investigated.
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Sales literature is notorious for having typos and other confusing / contradictory content. If one is serious about a specific product, or its components, much more than sales lit needs to be investigated.
Excellent point! Maybe I should say it this way--Nexus is claiming a GCWR higher than spec for an Allison 2500.

Hopefully this is leading either to a re-rating of the Allison 2500, or a new, more potent replacement for it in the budget pusher/budget Super C market.
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