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Old 11-06-2022, 12:14 PM   #1
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Tiffin Allegro Red 360 33AA towing experiences

I am considering buying the above coach. I have a 2017 Road Glide Ultra and a 2023 4 door Jeep Wrangler that I would like to bring with via Hydralift and Roadmaster Nighthawk. Not necessarily requiring these towing devices, does anyone have experience towing 5-6K lbs with this coach. Thanks in advance.
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A Hydralift places a lot of extra weight on the coach rear axle, the weight of the lift plus the Harley. A Hydralift is 500-800 lbs and the bike another 850 or so, so start out by weighing the coach axle by axle and comparing the actual weight to the rear GAWR. You may not have the necessary 1350-1650 extra lbs available there.

The Jeep should be no problem. The Red 360 has a 10,000 lb tow capacity & receiver hitch and the GCWR covers that as well. You won't win any races when climbing grades, but so what?
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Old 11-06-2022, 06:46 PM   #3
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A 33aa probably isnít a great choice for a cruiserlift. The issue is the very short 198 inch wheelbase in combination with the relatively long overhang behind the rear axle of the coach. This increases the apparent weight of the lift+motorcycle on the rear axle. Likely in the 2,000lb range. It also reduces the weight on the front tires. The 33aa isnít known as the best driving coach to begin with, so adding a large weight cantilevered off the back and reducing the traction/responsiveness of the steer tires wont make it any better.

This irv2 thread contains the CruiserLift formula to calculate the rear axle weight impact:

This thread discusses adding a lift to a 33aa:

Older model year 33aa had problems with being overweight on the rear axle with just normal loading of water, fuel, camping gear, etc. They typically weighed around 20K on the rear axle. For 2023 Tiffin specs show a 23K rear axle on the 33aa. If accurate, thatís a big increase from previous years. It may actually have enough axle capacity to carry a motorcycle lift without going over the rear GAWR. But Iíd still have concerns about how it might drive when loaded.
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Old 11-06-2022, 07:40 PM   #4
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Your only option to take both is a trailer that will haul the Jeep and the bike. A Hydralift will severely overload the rear axle on that coach.
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Old 11-06-2022, 07:44 PM   #5
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I was going to make the same suggestion. Trailer tow the Jeep and bike would be the most practical solution.
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Old 01-19-2023, 12:21 AM   #6
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Thanks for all the input. I've decided that an Aluma trailer to tow the bike and Jeep with side kits + tarp the on trailer will be well under towing capacity and will cover the cargo with less weight than a standard enclosed trailer. Will ultimately end up be less expensive and less hassle than any of the alternatives.
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If you are thinking of tarping the MC and Jeep you might reconsider.
A caver for the MC likely no issue as long as It is secured well. A tarp over the jeep might be difficult to secure so you get no glopping of the tarp which would do a job on paint in very short order... even a well fitted cover is hard to eliminate any flutter 100%... just a consideration. Jeeps are made to be outside in all kinds of Wx w/o issue and even going down the road at 60-65 MPH no problem. If it gets really dirty a car wash will fix that.
Highest priority might be to make sure MH has good mud flaps on rear wheels and front of trailer protects the cargo.
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Yes, understood. Thanks. With the sidekits, there is the option to connect the stakes with a rib-conestoga wagon like-and tarp over the ribs. Thus the tarp doesnít touch the paint on either vehicle.
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