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Old 01-30-2017, 10:55 AM   #15
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Mine recently passed 107,000 and we love it. When I bought it, I got a stack of maintenance records a mile high and was able to determine the previous owner took amazing care of the coach.
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Old 01-30-2017, 11:44 AM   #16
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As many have commented, diesels - with proper maintenance - can go 500,000 miles before any major maintenance.

The problem lies in the "used car" mentality "As you approach the 100,000 mile mark..." the value drips significantly. But IMHO the real question is "How long do you intend to keep your - new-to-you - coach?" While none of us can truthfully answer this question (until the day we offer it for sale) what you can answer is "What is your intended period of ownership?" Example: Is this a test coach for you? In other words, is your ownership intention to try this out and then purchase a newer/better one soon? Or are you the type (like me) that typically buys and hold for an extended period of time?

All coaches age and drop in value. That's one of the joys of ownership! But the true value is in your usage. That's where, IMHO, you can determine if the loss in resale value is justified; at least in your mind's eye.

While this has been a loooooong answer to your question, if you can buy a coach with a lot of mileage, but one that has been very well maintained, make sure that you buy it for well under the offering/selling price of a similar coach with much fewer miles. BUT... understand that when you resell it, it will sell much slower and for a much lower price than comparable coaches with fewer miles.

So I guess the answer to your question is "Buy a coach that will suit your needs for a realistic period of time, at a price that will agree with your finances and enjoy the heck out of it!!!!!!!!
That is a good theory. We hope to be looking seriously in a month or too....thanks
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Old 01-30-2017, 11:54 AM   #17
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As many have commented, diesels - with proper maintenance - can go 500,000 miles before any major maintenance.
Not necessarily true! Look up "ISX dropped valves" in the Cummins forum.
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Old 01-30-2017, 01:34 PM   #18
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I just traded my 2002 HR Endeavor 40DST. It had 217,000. The salesman said he had never seen an MH with that many miles on it. The HR had been a pretty good rig. I did not have alot a problems with it.
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Old 01-30-2017, 01:55 PM   #19
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I'd be finding out which Class A's were top-of-the-line, in the time period you're looking at, and get one of them. A used Country Coach, perhaps.
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Old 01-30-2017, 06:32 PM   #20
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I'll disagree with the fact that diesels will run forever. The engine might, but not the rest of the coach. Keep in mind that when a poster states they have diesel trucks with all kinds of mileage, they're usually talking about a truck doing 35,000, 50,000, 75,000 miles in a year. There is a HUGE difference between a diesel engine doing 300000 miles in 5 years versus a motor home doing 100,000 in 20 years. Yes, the internals of the engine may still be good, but things are now rusting and rotting off after 10-20 years. As another poster stated, 100,000 miles on a coach means it was used a lot, which includes shocks, brakes bushings, u-joints, radiator, radiator hoses, A/C unit and hoses, water pump, compressor, injection system, etc.

An exterior on a coach with that many miles may be well used too. I'm not saying that someone didn't take good care of a coach (I take extremely god care of my stuff) but, sun and weather will wear products like moldings, seals and other exterior components.

So.......just because a diesel can run 500,000 miles, it doesn't mean that the coach itself will.
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Old 01-31-2017, 09:27 AM   #21
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We would like to find a older 2002-2006 DP in the $50-70k range. This is the amount that fits the finances and budget and we plan to 1/2 time and winter in our current home in Arizona. Interior layout and features are my wife's primary concern.
Looking at a number on Craigslist and other sites now, I do see some 02 and 03 in that range with 40-75k miles and also some 05 and 06 models with 100k plus. I understand a Diesel can go many more miles without issues, but it still seems like the high mileage units are listed longer and discounted a little more.
Is it worth it to buy a newer unit with higher mileage?
If I add 40,000 miles in 5 years and try to sell one with 150k + how much harder will it be to sell it?
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Speaking from my experience with my now 150,000+ mile diesel powered coach... more problems occur, (and they occur more frequently), after a coach has been driven 100,000 miles.
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Old 02-02-2017, 08:52 AM   #22
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I agree with the general comments. A diesel engine is stronger but the accessories are only slightly more robust. You will typically have an alternator, AC compresor and sometimes a fan. Ours had a bearing that was in the pulley that the fan was mounted to go. It was cheap in parts but took a day and a half to fix. I had a new alternator put on while in there. Over all I think you can tell if a coach was well cared for. In your date range you will find some wear but like any vehicle or house you can tell if the regular maintance was completed. We have a 2005 Fleetwood providence that we bought 2 years ago as our first coach and put 25,000 miles on it with only a minor issue. Everything works and I did have to fix a few things like a bad ground in the passenger seat and to fix a portion of the gaskets on a slide out plus what I mentioned above. We paid 75k for it spent 4k on tires recently plus a few things here and there. I figure on 2k max per year for routine maintance etc. Now that we know we will use our MH and the options and layouts we like we plan on selling this one and get one 2 to 3 years old with the layout and options we like. I think / hope we can get 65k maybe 70k for the MH we have that will have 60K miles. So I think your price range is good, there are no guarantee that it won't have issues but chances are if it's been moderately maintained the big ticket items should be ok and if you want to sell in a few years to get a different style you should not take a huge hit.
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More important then the miles on the engine, are the care a used coach was given - and was it a higher quality coach to start with.

No argument that years will cause aging, especially if used in a full time capacity. But many, many high end coaches are used for a few months a year, and then are pampered as garage queens after that. A coached used like this, ages very slowly. And usually an owner that either has their own garage, or pays to have it garage stored - also maintains it well too.

50, 75, 100+ but say under my capped number 130K (No particular reason, just the high end range I'd look at.) miles would be OK. Regardless if only 50K, and for any engine. A review of the maintenance records (If it ain't documented, it didn't happen, is my approach.), competent chassis/engine/transmission inspection, and fluid analysis - all combined can give you a 90% comfort level.

But research the coaches that meet your needs, choose the highest quality coaches that do - quality lasts. And higher end coaches (Wanderlodge, Beaver, Country Coach Allure/Intrigue/Magna/Affinity, Monaco Dynasty/Executive/Signature (And equivalent Holiday Rambler versions), Newmar Mountain Aire/Essex, Travel Supreme, Alpine, American Coach - all are some of the higher quality built models. (Be specific on year, as some coaches had problem with some years.)

Pick your budget range, retain a bucket to cover any catch-up or 'making it your's' modifications you might want, choose the highest quality coaches that meet your needs - then go shopping!

And note, some great input in this thread already! I just wanted to join the gang... And a final note, my list is not complete, and my opinion of high quality coaches will differ from others. Do your research... If due to budget reasons you want to go to the B quality coaches, check out Rexhall Rose Aire (Rexhall makes sone of the safest coaches on the road, with a steel cage.), Triple E (IF you can find one...), Newmar's Dutch Star (In many of the early years, that could easily slide into the A group.), Fleetwood Revolution/Discovery/Expedition, Tiffen Allegro Bus (Same comment that in some years this, and the Zephyr, slide into the A group too.), etc. (Again, not a complete list!)

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And note, some great input in this thread already! I just wanted to join the gang... And a final note, my list is not complete, and my opinion of high quality coaches will differ from others. Do your research... If due to budget reasons you want to go to the B quality coaches, check out Rexhall Rose Aire (Rexhall makes sone of the safest coaches on the road, with a steel cage.), Triple E (IF you can find one...), Newmar's Dutch Star (In many of the early years, that could easily slide into the A group.), Fleetwood Revolution/Discovery/Expedition, Tiffen Allegro Bus (Same comment that in some years this, and the Zephyr, slide into the A group too.), etc. (Again, not a complete list!)

Happy hunting,
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I'll add: Our 2002 Dutch Star was the least expensive, best built (for the money) rig we ever owned.
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I'll add: Our 2002 Dutch Star was the least expensive, best built (for the money) rig we ever owned.
The 2000-2004 (I desired pre ULSD designed/smog engines.) Dutch Star was on our short list. Quality build, while not top quality (Mountain Aire/Essex) materials - still very good quality. (Similar to the Allure vs say Magna/Affinity.) Well known and chassis and Cummins ISC or ISL depending upon year. A good example of say A- vs B quality, using the A,B,C scale...

I realize I left off many, many coaches in the B to A- level, like Winnie Vectra, Ultima as two examples - my list was sure not meant to be a full list, and again all subject to my opinion!

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91,000 on my 05 Navigator..Well maintained records from previous owner..
Have put 25,000 fabulous miles on it since bought it 3 years ago from previous owner with excellent maintenance records..
ISM 500 Cummins engine so far so good with yearly warranty purchased.
Aqua hot, 10 air bags, HWH leveling, 3 15000 AC's, so far only maintenance.
Need new batteries and tires born in 2014. It's like jumping off a 60 story bldg. and at 30th floor I'm just fine, thank you very much..
Have added residential Samsung and previous owner upgraded floors with ceramic tile and new flat screen TV's. Approching 100,000 bothers me a bit but coach has good "bones" and imo a beautiful motorhome.....just not new..
Accept the fact that resale will take a hit but already knew that. Wife and I love the adventure and cost and depreciation although important is not on the top of the list.
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Smitty I'd call that a good list. I'll be looking at a second owner triple slide 42' 2002 Monaco Signature tomorrow with 89k on it They are asking $79,750 and I know the tires are 09's & 10's. I'll use that as a bargaining item if everything else checks out.
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Smitty I'd call that a good list. I'll be looking at a second owner triple slide 42' 2002 Monaco Signature tomorrow with 89k on it They are asking $79,750 and I know the tires are 09's & 10's. I'll use that as a bargaining item if everything else checks out.
I would factor in 4k for tires. Even if they look good I found over a few years that they just start to wear internally and the ride sufferes.
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