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Old 09-08-2022, 06:04 PM   #29
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You ain’t kidding, I ran into a guy at a rest stop with a brand new 2020 canyon star, (gas engine), I asked what his CCC was he said about 10k-12k lbs! I was speechless!

RIGHT???!!!


What did he think CCC stood for???


Yes, often lowest common denominator applies.


But, he may have had the basement filled with hydrogen or helium balloons.
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Lesson #2. This involves less work and almost no math.

Drive to the scales with full fuel, fresh water, propane if applicable and the usual suspects who will normally be traveling in the coach. If there is already stuff on board such as clothes, plates, tools, chairs, food, even better. Those are all things that won’t need to be weighed before being loaded, if using the empty coach method.

Let’s face it. At some point the coach will be driven with full tanks and people inside, so why subtract weight that is almost always going to be on board any time the coach is actually used? The new and improved method just allowed manufacturers to produce an artificially high figure that misleads the consumer into believing that they can bring more stuff. “Look at this Honey, we can carry 2800 pounds in this thing”. Until they add water, propane and 2 or more people and discover that they’re now down to 1800 pounds.

The previous method included all those previous fluids that people tend to bring along. Plus 4 people totaling 616 lbs. It was so simple, as long as the Mr and Mrs were less than 308 lbs each, they might even have a few extra pounds of available capacity.
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Old 09-08-2022, 11:42 PM   #31
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We were at the same place that you were, we started to look at what brands had the owner support, reliability, floor plan, Diesel pusher that could tow 10K LBS, and did not need the DEF!!, we found that the Western RV ALPINE checked all the boxes, we found a 36' double slide with a 8.9L ISL 400HP 1200 lb-ft of torque, another thing that we looked for was the tank sizes, 115 Gallons of Diesel that also fuels the 7500W generator, 40 gallons of Propane(30 usable), 100 gallons of fresh water, 100 Gallon grey, and 75 Gallons black.

We found ours Dec 31 2019 at a dealer in Junction City Oregon, it's a one owner unit and we have done many upgrades, with the older units you will need to budget 5-10K $ each year for maintenance and upgrades.

We looked at what our budget was and what we thought we could afford.

Good luck with your search, and get it checked out by a reputable mechanic.

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2003, after a half-century of make-do camping in lesser rigs, we converted a 1996 Ford CF8000 commercial truck to our concept of an ExpeditionVehicle.
GVWR -- 29,000#.
Weight across the scale -- 14,000#.
Cargo capacity -- about seven ton.
GCWR -- 53,000# (twenty-six ton).
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Thank for the input from everyone!

I appreciate all the feedback.

Our strategy is sticking with top-of-the-line models. From these, we will eliminate any diesel pushers that do not have a minimum of 5,000 pounds difference between the UAW and GVWR. This will be somewhat dependent upon past manufacturers' brochures, dealers and private sellers being able to supply us with some accurate numbers. If we are not able to obtain these numbers that particular model/seller will get eliminated from being a possible future purchase.

Once we determine which models met the above criteria, we can determine what age we are seeking based on our budget. This should narrow it down to what model and what age of rv we should be searching for.

The next stage would be eliminating models due to condition, lack of maintenance records, or poor floor plan.

This should give us an idea of what will meet our needs prior to spending a lot of time with any one seller. Once we get past this point, we would be looking at possible negotiating's, preview & final inspection, and a trip to view the rv ourselves.

Much of the above is dependent upon the seller supplying the necessary answers to questions a typical buyer would ask prior to making a prudent purchase. I have found in the past while buying boats that many sellers, (both brokers & private sellers) do not know what they are selling. I have turned my back on boats because a seller could/did not answer my questions but instead wanted me to hop on a plane and fly across country to see it while volunteering little information concerning what he was trying to sell. Hopefully I will find rv sellers are more knowledgeable than this in attempting to get their rv sold.

Once again thanks for all the input.

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You ain’t kidding, I ran into a guy at a rest stop with a brand new 2020 canyon star, (gas engine), I asked what his CCC was he said about 10k-12k lbs! I was speechless!
Sounds like you just caught him off guard and he was adding payload and towing numbers together and rounding up or something.
On a side note... I have no idea what my CCC is but I do know my OCCC is stated at 2526 which I don't really believe. I do know my "loaded for travel" weight is 1660 lbs under my GVWR and I am comfortable with that.

2020 Canyon Star TH shows 4377 payload / 5000 towing
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