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Old 10-31-2016, 08:31 PM   #1
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Why didn't builder do this?

As I ponder yet another chassis/motohome upgrade, I can't help but wonder why don't builders do some of this "stuff"

Apparently everyone is aware of importance of a steering stabilizer in the event of a front tire blow out, in addition to the improved lane stability. They are aware of importance of TPMS for tires, that I am shopping for now. They are aware of improved ride from Koni Shocks, etc, etc....

So why don't coach builders make these improvements to the chassis to improve the appeal of their brand? They go to extremes to produce gimmicky little additions, plaster the whole coach with graphics and add on all sorts of creature comforts, but neglect what appear to be significant safety improvements.
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I expect because 90+% of coach owners do not notice the handling problems or do not use it enough to go through the issues to fix the problem.

Therefore the coach manufacturer is able to offer a coach at a lower price. And they probably have shares in the add on market.
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Old 10-31-2016, 08:44 PM   #3
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Because BLING sells..........people get mesmerized by shiny things

That other stuff is not seen, costly per unit to include and NOT everyone likes Koni Shocks.
Folks complain about 'quality' yet continue to buy 'BLING'
Quality is expensive and doesn't catch the eye or provide an emotional tug.

Besides if MFG. added those items what would become of the aftermarket element.
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Because many don't test drive?
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As with everything else that can be bought, bling and needless electronics are what a lot of people want. Devices that enhance safety aren't as important for many.
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Trode, at the risk of seeming blunt and perhaps rude, I will suggest you ask yourself why you bought the coach you did!
I don't know when you bought your coach, but how much homework did you do? Anyone who has done a minimum of checking on this or any other forum knows that a 35 ft coach on an F53 chassis will likely have a wide assortment of handling problems that will require multiple aftermarket mods.
As long as people keep buying them, builders will keep making them.
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Because BLING sells..........people get mesmerized by shiny things

That other stuff is not seen, costly per unit to include and NOT everyone likes Koni Shocks.
Folks complain about 'quality' yet continue to buy 'BLING'
Quality is expensive and doesn't catch the eye or provide an emotional tug.
The above can also be demonstrated in the sticks & bricks housing market. Over the years, several newby home builders have tried to build better homes (multiples in a subdivision, not "custom") by using 2x6 walls and the additional insulation the thicker wall cavity provides. They are obviously more structurally sound and energy efficient. They don't sell. Instead, add vaulted ceilings and a few extra can lights on dimmers? They sell like crazy.
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Couldn't agree more. We bought our first Safari TREK in 1995, and the salesman said that first time buyers never purchase these. The TREK has a subdued interior, and the Sunday afternoon customers really go for lots of showy, shiny, decor.

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Because BLING sells..........people get mesmerized by shiny things

That other stuff is not seen, costly per unit to include and NOT everyone likes Koni Shocks.
Folks complain about 'quality' yet continue to buy 'BLING'
Quality is expensive and doesn't catch the eye or provide an emotional tug.

Besides if MFG. added those items what would become of the aftermarket element.
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When researching our last pruchase I discovered Tiffin will do some such mods during manufacture if ordered. We chose another brand solely because of floorplan options. I have since added the suspension mods we would have bought new had they been available.
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At some point, it is what it is, and if you don't like it, it's up to you to change it.

I spent upwards of $20,000 modifying the performce and handling of a Porsche and BMW to fit how exactly I wanted them to be, but would proably be unacceptable to many if not most other buyers. So are you saying Porsche or BMW don't know how to build a proper car too because they build them to fit the expectations of a majority of the buyers?

And eventually Porsche came out with a special model that basically incorporated most of what I did to my car, and you what, it cost a boatload more money too, but it was a niche market car that could have never been the only version of that model they offered.

Same thing with the niche market $160,000 Porsche 911 GT3; even those niche buyers spend more money to "improve thier cars" like putting $6000+ fully adjustable suspensions or $3000 exhausts on.

Yes, I added a SafeT Plus steering stabilizer to my coach, but that was it. It cost me about $500 which was my chose, if Tiffin would have added it, it would have cost about $500 too...... Others seem to think they need a bunch of other things that I don't find necessary, so why should I pay for them if I am fine with the coach the way it is now?
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As a first time RV owner, i did a lot of research or rather as much as my experience allowed. I found the coach i wanted for various reasons and planned on 5k of upgrades before i took it on its first trip. Most were done the week after i brought it home. I am sure if you contacted FORD directly and bought a 22k/24k/26k chassis you could order it however you wanted with the chassis improvements, but would pay for those as well. When i went to Fleetwood they had probably two dozen FORD chassis setting in the production lot waiting for houses to go on top. They order the standard chassis and build from there. The reality is manufacturer's build to mass sales and not the individual for the most part. IF you want a custom coach you go to Newell or a custom bus builder and you will pay near a million for it.

I am happy to spend $3-$5k to improve my coach ride and will add trac bar and Air Lift springs this spring ($1500) Still far less than $50-$75K i would have paid for the Diesel chassis and for me I will be just as happy in my travels, until i upgrade in 8-10 years.
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It's like others said above. It's the almighty dollar. These are mass produced as quickly as possible for the most profit and yet be as cheap as possible to compete with other manufacturers.
Add in the fact they can't just bolt something on the chassis and be good to go like you can. They need to test, weigh, certify and ultimately warranty it. That all costs more money.
My RSSA stabilizer went on very easily and is a tremendous improvement. I chose Roadmaster, but someone else will choose Safe T Steer and someone else would chose XYZ band and another ABC brand.
At this price point you simply cannot expect everything. Easy add ons are well easy to add on. Cheaper than from the manufacturer too.
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Trode, at the risk of seeming blunt and perhaps rude, I will suggest you ask yourself why you bought the coach you did!
I don't know when you bought your coach, but how much homework did you do? Anyone who has done a minimum of checking on this or any other forum knows that a 35 ft coach on an F53 chassis will likely have a wide assortment of handling problems that will require multiple aftermarket mods.
As long as people keep buying them, builders will keep making them.
I apologize. It is not my intention to offend.


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Not offended, but comment is a bit presumptuous, yes I did homework, yes I researched builders (which is why I have a National RV) and chassis, yes I was aware of the issues with the F-53 and many other chassis, but hard to custom order used motorhome in desired price range. Being aware of chassis concerns, is why I have done this "stuff". I guess I was a bit of an opportunist when buying my coach, market was soft due to economy, plus higher gas prices at the time, as result I have been in this coach several years now and it still has a resale value, by any measure, many dollars more than I paid. Also, it was my first venture into a motorhome, and would not be this choice by any means if I was full timing or even doing extended traveling, but for the weekend trips and annual run to Disney with grandkids, was an easier way to travel than the truck/trailer days. But my point remains, if the manufacturers are aware of the limitations of the designs.....?
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