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Old 08-09-2020, 12:33 AM   #15
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We bought a Pleasure-Way XLMB and have been very happy with the build quality. Three years and 24,000 miles and no Pleasure-Way issues. Very few problems with the installed accessories but that is not a Pleasure-way issue. Our MH is on the 3500 MB Sprinter cutaway and have had no issues with it at all. Drives like a dream.

Suggest finding the interior plan that you like the best of the major brands and go with it. We preferred the XLMB because of no slides and Murphy bed makes the inside seem huge when stowed. The Murphy bed can keep all the bedding and pillows on when stowing away and and only take a minute to deploy when time to sleep.

The B+ C argument. When I was researching buying a B I came along a B+ and decided that was what I wanted. Searching for a class B+ got me to all the manufacturers I was looking for. So B+ classification helps to narrow an internet search down to the small, no overhang class C's I wanted to look at. Yes I know it is really a class C.
That's what the state says it's registered as a Class C... and RVIA only has 3 classes of vehicles.... there is no classification in the RVIA for a Class B+.

Some claim this is a "real Class"....in Massachusetts... it's not... the term "auto house" or auto home or house car is a broad term to describe the function of the vehicle, it is not the class registration which is a completely separate issue.

Neither California or Massachusetts specify what class these vehicles are, they are broad categories in the vehicle code handbook.

In the California vehicle code there's this definition,

Housecar (CVC §362)—A motor vehicle originally designed for, or permanently altered, to be equipped for human habitation, or to which a camper has been permanently attached. A housecar is not a motortruck.

In Massachusetts, there's this definition,

Auto Home Plates
Auto Home:
A. Definition: Auto home, any motor vehicle originally designed or permanently
altered and equipped for human habitation which is not used to transport property
other than that property used for human habitation or camping purposes. A motor
vehicle designed primarily to transport property which has been temporarily altered
or equipped for human habitation shall not be deemed to be an auto home.
(M.G.L. ch. 90 s. 1)

Once the vehicle is registered they are assigned a particular Class based on standards..

There's a big difference between what the actual registration papers say from a few words printed on someone's license plates.

If someone can prove to me that their actual registration papers say it is a Class B+, I'll be happy to change my mind..

Let me reiterate..... there is absolutely nothing wrong with Class C's..... they are designed to carry and sleep more than 2 people.... it's not a Class B is better or worse situation...geez, people stop being so tribal about this...be happy with what you bought.... there's no point in trying to convince someone who has one vehicle or the other..... it's just a mind fudge....

As for Class B+ ( really Class C's). yes, this discussion is really more appropriate in the Class C forum in my opinion. So, when I see people getting all excited about making assertions and jumping all over this topic and are in the Class B forum and they really own a registered Class C....


Motorhome—A motor vehicle designed to provide temporary living quarters, built as an integral part of, or permanently attached to, a self-propelled motor vehicle chassis or van and includes a motorhome manufactured by a licensed motorhome manufacturer.


Van Camper—A van camper is a complete vehicle purchased from a recognized vehicle manufacturer and converted (usually by the installation of carpet, curtains, additional seating, etc.) for human habitation or camping purposes.

Van campers are registered using the original manufacturer’s make, VIN, and year model. However, completed van-type vehicles altered prior to original registration to meet the ANSI specifications of a motorhome are registered using the make and VIN of the original manufacturer.

Yes, any vehicle that is built on a cutaway chassis is not a true Class B... Class B's are vehicles that come straight from the manufacturer and are modified on the inside and not expanded out the back or the sides.

Class C's have the back end cutaway and the remainder of the RV is completely constructed as a separate box and attached to the cutaway chassis.
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Old 08-11-2020, 07:54 AM   #16
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WE have looked at/for Phoenix and Nexus. What other B+ units should we look at. We are down sizing and want a higher end B+. Help. The Muffin Man.
Reading your post cost seems to be what is holding you back. If Muffin man is a hint you may find the showers all wahy to samll. But for the money and shower. Its HARD for anyone in there right mind the beat the full over all quility of the Galleria by Coachmen. You are getting your monies worth. I dont care for two things in an RV Closet in the BATHROOM and LP GAS Stoves and both are not in the Galleria. Take away the Li3 power packages and the peice drops down 6000-or more. As for the Viper weight until you start adding in what you want away from the Basic model. GALLERIA by far, YES I'm still waiting.
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That's what the state says it's registered as a Class C... and RVIA only has 3 classes of vehicles.... there is no classification in the RVIA for a Class B+.

Some claim this is a "real Class"....in Massachusetts... it's not... the term "auto house" or auto home or house car is a broad term to describe the function of the vehicle, it is not the class registration which is a completely separate issue.

Neither California or Massachusetts specify what class these vehicles are, they are broad categories in the vehicle code handbook.

In the California vehicle code there's this definition,

Housecar (CVC §362)—A motor vehicle originally designed for, or permanently altered, to be equipped for human habitation, or to which a camper has been permanently attached. A housecar is not a motortruck.

In Massachusetts, there's this definition,

Auto Home Plates
Auto Home:
A. Definition: Auto home, any motor vehicle originally designed or permanently
altered and equipped for human habitation which is not used to transport property
other than that property used for human habitation or camping purposes. A motor
vehicle designed primarily to transport property which has been temporarily altered
or equipped for human habitation shall not be deemed to be an auto home.
(M.G.L. ch. 90 s. 1)

Once the vehicle is registered they are assigned a particular Class based on standards..

There's a big difference between what the actual registration papers say from a few words printed on someone's license plates.

If someone can prove to me that their actual registration papers say it is a Class B+, I'll be happy to change my mind..

Let me reiterate..... there is absolutely nothing wrong with Class C's..... they are designed to carry and sleep more than 2 people.... it's not a Class B is better or worse situation...geez, people stop being so tribal about this...be happy with what you bought.... there's no point in trying to convince someone who has one vehicle or the other..... it's just a mind fudge....

As for Class B+ ( really Class C's). yes, this discussion is really more appropriate in the Class C forum in my opinion. So, when I see people getting all excited about making assertions and jumping all over this topic and are in the Class B forum and they really own a registered Class C....


Motorhome—A motor vehicle designed to provide temporary living quarters, built as an integral part of, or permanently attached to, a self-propelled motor vehicle chassis or van and includes a motorhome manufactured by a licensed motorhome manufacturer.


Van Camper—A van camper is a complete vehicle purchased from a recognized vehicle manufacturer and converted (usually by the installation of carpet, curtains, additional seating, etc.) for human habitation or camping purposes.

Van campers are registered using the original manufacturer’s make, VIN, and year model. However, completed van-type vehicles altered prior to original registration to meet the ANSI specifications of a motorhome are registered using the make and VIN of the original manufacturer.

Yes, any vehicle that is built on a cutaway chassis is not a true Class B... Class B's are vehicles that come straight from the manufacturer and are modified on the inside and not expanded out the back or the sides.

Class C's have the back end cutaway and the remainder of the RV is completely constructed as a separate box and attached to the cutaway chassis.
As I said I know it is a class C.
B+ is a marketing term and not a real class. I know that.
Search for class B+ and you find small no overhang class C.
Search for "small no overhang class C" and you won't find what you are looking for.

Similar argument: I have a hatchback Subaru that the state calls a station wagon.
Maybe we can get on all the car companies and tell them to stop calling their station wagons hatchbacks.

Semantics.
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Which model Subaru?

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As I said I know it is a class C.
B+ is a marketing term and not a real class. I know that.
Search for class B+ and you find small no overhang class C.
Search for "small no overhang class C" and you won't find what you are looking for.

Similar argument: I have a hatchback Subaru that the state calls a station wagon.
Maybe we can get on all the car companies and tell them to stop calling their station wagons hatchbacks.

Semantics.
What's the model name of your car?
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Then 'super c' doesn't exist either? Who cares about classification at dmv? We all know what is meant by b+ and super c and it's a helpful distinction.
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Why?

Why do some choose to ignore the OP's original question and feel compelled to go on a rant and write volumes about something off topic???

The OP asked for info on class B+ manufacturers, not your opinions on what the manufacturer chooses to call their own RV.

The horse is dead.
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I just love the Leisure Travel Unity 24MB
When I’m done doing the Class A thing, I’m buying one of these.
Nothing comes close to it.
Perfect for 2 people.
I hope by then they they make a model that can dry camp for days with Lithium Batteries. Can’t be too hard, looks like it has the same appliances as a Travato.
A Lithium Unity 24MB would be a winner
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Advanced RV is building a B+ now, calling it BBox
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I just love the Leisure Travel Unity 24MB
When I’m done doing the Class A thing, I’m buying one of these.
Nothing comes close to it.
Perfect for 2 people.
I hope by then they they make a model that can dry camp for days with Lithium Batteries. Can’t be too hard, looks like it has the same appliances as a Travato.
A Lithium Unity 24MB would be a winner
I went to the Pomona RV show last fall and stopped by the Leisure display. I talked to their tech rep and asked him why they didn't offer lithium batteries. He went on to give me a lame excuse about them not doing well in cold weather. I was going to say so you couldn't house the batteries inside the van or provide some sort of heating element like every other manufacturer does, but I just walked away in disbelief. I would have respected him more if he said we cater to an older crowd that hops from RV park to RV park with hookups and they don't need lithium batteries. Bottom line is I wouldn't expect leisure to add lithium any time soon and you'll have to put them in yourself.
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Check out Leisure Travel web site, they now offer a lithium battery option.
They must of listened to you at the Pomona RV show...lol
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Check out Leisure Travel web site, they now offer a lithium battery option.
They must of listened to you at the Pomona RV show...lol
Ha, ha, ha, you made me spit coffee out of my nose. Kinda hurt. Glad to see LTV begrudgingly move into the future.
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