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Old 05-30-2013, 06:45 PM   #1
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Hello, I have just purchased a 2007 TS Envoy 42' with 22,000 miles and am having problems with the jacks not keeping the coach level. The front driver's jack "bleeds" down about 3/4" in 48 hours and then the windshield on the passenger side develops a crack between the body and the rubber seal and I have to re-level the coach. The other jacks bleed 1/8" to 1/4". Is this a common weakness in the Travel Supreme? I have been told that cross bracing in the frame (from Precision) in Bremen, IN will correct the problem. Anybody else had the problem? We love the coach and it seems to be a quality coach. We had a Country Coach previously but it did not have leveling jacks so I do not know what to expect with the jacks. Thanks for any information that you may impart to us.
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Old 05-30-2013, 07:50 PM   #2
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MiniPearl,

Yes, you should probably get the Cross Bracing done, for many reasons.

The Jacks do bleed a bit. Having talked to Spartan about my air system for other problems, I found out that when people enter and exit and move around in the coach (mostly from side to side), the leveling system will try to keep the coach level. Hardly noticeable from what Spartan told me, but it does happen until the Jacks are finally solidly planted. I would call Spartan and talk to them.

You might also check to see the level of the hydraulic fluid in the reservoir. It should be in the generator compartment probably over toward the passenger side.

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Old 05-30-2013, 09:53 PM   #3
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MiniPearl,

Yes, you should probably get the Cross Bracing done, for many reasons.

The Jacks do bleed a bit. Having talked to Spartan about my air system for other problems, I found out that when people enter and exit and move around in the coach (mostly from side to side), the leveling system will try to keep the coach level. Hardly noticeable from what Spartan told me, but it does happen until the Jacks are finally solidly planted. I would call Spartan and talk to them.

You might also check to see the level of the hydraulic fluid in the reservoir. It should be in the generator compartment probably over toward the passenger side.

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Hi All..
My name is Ron and am the proud new owner of an 04 40ds40. I am really tickled with it..
Lots to learn with these coaches.. Lots different than my 97 Eagle..
Did lots of research on the Travel Supreme when I first started looking..
One of the big items on the longer coaches is the cross bracing.. IT can make all the difference in the coach.. And virtually prevent the windshield issues.. Talk to Precision Paint about this.. It appears to be about a $3000 deal... Too bad you didn't know about this before the purchase.. Maybe could have been negotiated..
It supposedly makes the coach steer and ride better..
I don't understand the leveling issues.. That system was installed by Travel Supreme and is still used by the Entegra folks.. A bit different than most other folks use.. But once you get used to it's quirks seems really sophisticated and reliable.. They should NOT leak down! You must have a valve leaking. Mine has been up on it's jacks for almost 2 weeks and not moved a millimeter! Call these folks they are supposed to be quite helpful.. Just look through your paperwork.
Drew's comment about the air suspension is correct.. IT will compensate for weight shifts and load changes.. That is what air suspensions do.. But mostly separate from the leveling system..
Enjoy that coach..
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I'm with Ron. Have the jacks/hydraulic system checked out. They should not be leaking down.
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Old 05-31-2013, 07:41 AM   #5
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Thanks for reply

Thanks for the quick replys! Have appointment with Precision and have talked with Equalizer - may have to take it to Equalizer if my mechanic cannot repair leaks. I live in Indiana so should not be a big deal getting there. I do have another question about the coach. It has the Hydro-Hot system and it seems to work very well - very uniform heat. Anything that I should do to maintain it other than allow my mechanic to service it regularly? Thanks again for your replies! Ron
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If you don't know if the recall has been accomplished it might be worth you time to give HydraHot a call. They installed an new burner can and jet assembly on mine this spring. It may not apply to your 2007, but it doesn't hurt to give them a call.
I have attached a good article about servicing the HydraHot system.
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Join this group....nobody knows more about Hydro-Hot and/or AquaHot than Roger Berke. Activity Stream - RV Hydronic Heater Forum
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I agree with this he helped me get mine up and going very easily
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Minnie, you could have air in your hydraulic system. Just raise all jacks to MAX height for 15 min to get air out, then back down. Also be sure the hydraulic tank is up to the normal operating level so more air doesn't get into the system.
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Minnie, you could have air in your hydraulic system. Just raise all jacks to MAX height for 15 min to get air out, then back down. Also be sure the hydraulic tank is up to the normal operating level so more air doesn't get into the system.
Thanks - just received coach back from dealer and they have talked with Equalizer company and they now say it works fine.(?) Will see - it is up on jacks now at home and time will tell. Thanks for your interest! MiniPearl7
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Well, guess what folks, I took the coach to Equalizer and had them check it out -they said fluid level was a bit low and could be causing air to get into the system. So they filled it up (said You could not overfill it) and then I brought it home and put it up on the jacks again. After 1 day the front driver side jack retracted 3/8" in 24 hours, 3/4" in 48 hours (as before the visit to Equalizer) and 1 1/4" after 3 days. The other jacks seem fine. Also, the windshield popped open again on passenger side. So will have my service tech probably replace jack or valve or solenoid or something...frustrated!!! And I do have an appointment with Precision Painting in a couple of weeks for cross-bracing. MiniPearl7
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Old 06-30-2013, 06:06 PM   #12
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The cross bracing will help the windshield issue. I'm sure Paul will, but take a serious look at having the windshield reset. Depending on rubber gasket condition the gasket may need replaced. Don't hesitate to visit with them about any issues and slow them down to get answers.
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I recently visited Master Tech in Elkhart to get my Hyro Hot unit repaired (authorized service center for Aqua Hot) . While I was there I initiated a conversation about cross bracing. They tell me that while they can do that, they think that building the halo around the windshield is the preferred fix. There does seem to be some logic to building a structure directly around the problem, but they also conceded that if you really want to guarantee results, you should do both. They believe that if you're only going to do one, do the halo. I have read reports about windshield problems after the cross bracing, but donít pretend to know which solution, if any is better.
My 2004 40 DS03 has yet to have a problem but all the reports have me nervous. The Halo solution is $1,800, but if it doesnít work, I wonít save anything and will spend more in the end. Iím really more interested in the correct solution and as I said, I like the idea of directly addressing the flex area. Is there any solid engineering data to support either process? Has anyone tried the halo?
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For all his faults as a businessman, Bishop Christianson knew TS coaches very well. He said the cross bracing solved 95 percent of the problems, and only 5 needed the halo.

But then he used smaller tubing than Precision, and didn't even do the brace near the front on a 45 degree angle...that Precision says is the most critical of all.

I haven't heard Precision's position about the halo.

I still say the greatest benefit of the bracing is to the steering and front suspension. It tightens up everything without making the ride rougher. I felt the difference within a block of the shop...on a smooth road! It was wonderful.
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