Air suspension obtaining coach travel height

[brobox]

Should leave engine running during final walk around to check for fuel leaks. Yes, those do happen too.

[DSL417]

I look at the pad after I pull for any and all leaks while I sat on the location...even if it is gravel.

[roadrunning]

This is a huge problem beyond just airing up before leaving. If you have to do any maneuvering with these coaches your in trouble. If your using reverse or using your brakes a bit you lose air and get rubbing. There have been a lot of coaches damaged
by this issue and they continue to deny it. Yet they changed the fenders on newer models, claiming it was because of a newer axle
I was traveling yesterday and stopped at a campground, the spot they gave me I just drove into, the easiest way to get out of the park was back straight out about 90' turn left and leave. Naturally I'm using my brakes some (overly cautious) When I went to make the turn the air pressure had dropped enough to make it rub. Luckily I'm sensitive to it and wasn't turning hard. Entegra Tech Support acts like this is normal and you shouldn't back up and use your brakes...huh
Problem #2 if your in a spot that might have the right side slightly higher than the left and your using your brakes some, same thing rubbing or damage.
I feel this is a potentially dangerous situation and certainly should be address. The problem is more than the airing up but the front fenders rubbing on the tires at any drop in air pressure.
I might sound like I am whiner but I've had a few issues and will normally take care of them myself and love the Entegra. I have raved about the CS and the quality of these coaches but am VERY DISAPPOINTED with this issue.

[brobox]

Roadrunning, your post is one of the reason we would not accept delivery of our coach. Massive air leaks that LD did not fix. I could watch the front end loose air and there is not that much tolorance on the Entegras and the reason I was so gun shy with that much air leaking. Then try to use the brakes in a tight area on top of that, no way. I am also a firm believe of periodic checks of the air gauges. If in eating for an hour, check he gauges when returning and see how much air has leaked, it shouldn't be any if no dump valve were used.

[roadrunning]

Brobox I totally agree about air leaks and you were wise not taking delivery. Unfortunately that's not what I was talking about.
What I was talking about is during normal operation with no leaks, just the tag axel dump during backing up or using the breaks a few times drains enough air pressure to create the rubbing of the front tire. I'm not sure when the changed the panel to allow more room but I have a fairly early 2013 Anthem and it's a problem on these. If you try to turn sharp during this you crack the fiberglass at the top center of the wheel well.
The new panels/wheel wells (not exactly sure all what they changed) have fixed this you can lose pressure but not rub. But what gets me is Entegra Tech Support acting like this is normal! This is my 3rd coach and I wouldn't have any rubbing even if not aired up on previous coaches (wouldn't drive it this way).
I asked if they'd work with me on getting the new fenders and the reply was just flat no.

[tnrzryd]

Originally Posted by roadrunning

Brobox I totally agree about air leaks and you were wise not taking delivery. Unfortunately that's not what I was talking about.
What I was talking about is during normal operation with no leaks, just the tag axel dump during backing up or using the breaks a few times drains enough air pressure to create the rubbing of the front tire. I'm not sure when the changed the panel to allow more room but I have a fairly early 2013 Anthem and it's a problem on these. If you try to turn sharp during this you crack the fiberglass at the top center of the wheel well.
The new panels/wheel wells (not exactly sure all what they changed) have fixed this you can lose pressure but not rub. But what gets me is Entegra Tech Support acting like this is normal! This is my 3rd coach and I wouldn't have any rubbing even if not aired up on previous coaches (wouldn't drive it this way).
I asked if they'd work with me on getting the new fenders and the reply was just flat no.

I feel for you but apparently this isn't an issue on all 2013 coaches. I got mine in January 2013 and have never experienced any rubbing etc. in over 18k miles. I am very anal when it comes to checking for proper inflation visually when leaving and also when backing/braking a lot. Now if I was to try to move the coach before it airs up, I would have a big problem.

[brobox]

Originally Posted by roadrunning

Brobox I totally agree about air leaks and you were wise not taking delivery. Unfortunately that's not what I was talking about.
What I was talking about is during normal operation with no leaks, just the tag axel dump during backing up or using the breaks a few times drains enough air pressure to create the rubbing of the front tire. I'm not sure when the changed the panel to allow more room but I have a fairly early 2013 Anthem and it's a problem on these. If you try to turn sharp during this you crack the fiberglass at the top center of the wheel well.
The new panels/wheel wells (not exactly sure all what they changed) have fixed this you can lose pressure but not rub. But what gets me is Entegra Tech Support acting like this is normal! This is my 3rd coach and I wouldn't have any rubbing even if not aired up on previous coaches (wouldn't drive it this way).

I asked if they'd work with me on getting the new fenders and the reply was just flat no.

I only mentioned the air leaks as it would add to and compound the problem. It seems there may be an additional problem of ride height adjustment.

[roadrunning]

Just to be clear the rubbing only occurs during the turning in my explanation not when driving straight.

[mel s]

Originally Posted by Fasteddie08

Can someone explain what a High Centering accident is?

Fasteddie08
I think a "High Centering accident" is when "the part of the underside of a coach between the front and the rear wheels is damaged", by, (or scrapes on?), (or touches?), the ground, (or the pavement?), (or some other object, like a curb?), when the coach is driven over it.

Mel
'96 Safari

[MRUSA14]

Originally Posted by mel s

Fasteddie08
I think a "High Centering accident" is when "the part of the underside of a coach between the front and the rear wheels is damaged", by, (or scrapes on?), (or touches?), the ground, (or the pavement?), (or some other object, like a curb?), when the coach is driven over it.

Mel
'96 Safari

Unusual terminology, but I do agree that is what the OP meant by "high centering accident".

[loisjop]

Originally Posted by roadrunning

This is a huge problem beyond just airing up before leaving. If you have to do any maneuvering with these coaches your in trouble. If your using reverse or using your brakes a bit you lose air and get rubbing. There have been a lot of coaches damaged
by this issue and they continue to deny it. Yet they changed the fenders on newer models, claiming it was because of a newer axle
I was traveling yesterday and stopped at a campground, the spot they gave me I just drove into, the easiest way to get out of the park was back straight out about 90' turn left and leave. Naturally I'm using my brakes some (overly cautious) When I went to make the turn the air pressure had dropped enough to make it rub. Luckily I'm sensitive to it and wasn't turning hard. Entegra Tech Support acts like this is normal and you shouldn't back up and use your brakes...huh
Problem #2 if your in a spot that might have the right side slightly higher than the left and your using your brakes some, same thing rubbing or damage.
I feel this is a potentially dangerous situation and certainly should be address. The problem is more than the airing up but the front fenders rubbing on the tires at any drop in air pressure.
I might sound like I am whiner but I've had a few issues and will normally take care of them myself and love the Entegra. I have raved about the CS and the quality of these coaches but am VERY DISAPPOINTED with this issue.

There is no way your coach will lose enough air for the front tires to rub if it's aired up to start with, unless you have a massive air leak in the air bags. Dumping air off the tag or using the brakes shouldn't cause the ride height to change, especially in 90 ft. My coach would lose enough air when new that it would go down in a day. Entegra installed check valves in the lines to the air bags to correct that, but it never went down in 90 ft. Noel

[DSL417]

Agree...never happened with mine. Obtained my 13 coach in late dec 2012, and JMHO, seems to me we are confusing several different things here and suggesting a single major issue. Just saying...

[brobox]

GGW, I have been re-reading all of the "air up" post this morning as we are picking up our coach next week that did have major air problems and was checking what the norm is for other Entegras.

In re-reading your post, is it possible for you to measure another Entegra at the front wheel area where yours is rubbing when fully aired up and the clearance on yours? Something just doesn't sound right on yours compared to other Entegras.

[DSL417]

I don't have it in inches, but it is right at the height in all the way around that allows me to insert my fat fingers (about 3/4") and that's my measurement stick on every start up.