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Old 10-31-2016, 09:33 AM   #15
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When using jackstands do you allow wait of the coach to come down on the Jackstand or just put them in place as a safety?
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Old 10-31-2016, 09:44 AM   #16
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Do you also use jack stands when driving up on boards?

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Mark, no I don't. I use one or the other. If I need to lift one end off the ground, I prefer to keep the other end firmly planted and well chocked.

If I ever find a situation where my boards don't cut it, I'll cut more lumber.

So far I haven't had an issue with adding only 4-6". It gains me what I lose when I dump the bags and I'm good.

Keep in mind I haven't done any serious wrenching on this coach, and expect it to be very similar to our last coach (2012 Tiffin Phaeton). On that coach in addition to the normal PM work, I changed shocks all around, removed and swapped front wheels chasing an alignment issue, added Motion Control Units, replaced U-Joints, and serviced the air dryer which was very hard to access.

Boards and a good pair of stands will get it done.

Before crawling under the coach, I always ask myself if there is any way I can get hurt. If there is any doubt, I resolve that before moving underneath.

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Old 10-31-2016, 09:59 AM   #17
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Mark, no I don't. I use one or the other. If I need to lift one end off the ground, I prefer to keep the other end firmly planted and well chocked.



If I ever find a situation where my boards don't cut it, I'll cut more lumber.



So far I haven't had an issue with adding only 4-6". It gains me what I lose when I dump the bags and I'm good.



Keep in mind I haven't done any serious wrenching on this coach, and expect it to be very similar to our last coach (2012 Tiffin Phaeton). On that coach in addition to the normal PM work, I changed shocks all around, removed and swapped front wheels chasing an alignment issue, added Motion Control Units, replaced U-Joints, and serviced the air dryer which was very hard to access.



Boards and a good pair of stands will get it done.



Before crawling under the coach, I always ask myself if there is any way I can get hurt. If there is any doubt, I resolve that before moving underneath.



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Makes sense Matt.

My maintenance capabilities are limited due to being on the road full time, therefore should only ever have to lift one end at a time.

Couldn't agree more on Safety!

PS, I've been part of many forums since they were first conceived, and can honestly say I've never found one to be as helpful and respectful as this one.

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I thought a lot of people where using Speedco is not this part of the service from them you pay for.
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When using jackstands do you allow wait of the coach to come down on the Jackstand or just put them in place as a safety?
Ron, that depends. Ordinarily, I'll lower the frame onto a jack stand so it's carrying some if not all of the weight. During oil changes, I'll ensure the stands are carrying a good amount of weight, but will leave the leveler jacks carrying a good portion of the weight.

Unlike my pickup, or a passenger size vehicle, I never support the MH under a suspension component. Always support a portion of the frame.

While I wouldn't want to shock load the stands during a problem, I also beieve the more support, the less likely you are to have said problem.

My biggest worry is having the bags drop unexpectedly. I know a couple of incidents where an owner was killed in similar circumstances.

Other significant concerns are the material you are parked on. I will never voluntarily jack a MH on asphalt. Always appropriately thick concrete, or some serious cribbing if on asphalt. I don't carry that kind of lumber when on the road, so that is a wrecker call.

Don't forget the slope. If there is even the slightest slope, don't do it. Take a serious look at any overhanging objects, like the roof of your parking structure. In our case, I have a good 24" to the lowest point, but some may not have that type of head room.

Bottom line, if this is the first vehicle you've ever jacked, I would strongly urge you to make friends with the "gearhead" member of your local RV Group.

Get some hands on help as this isn't something best learned in front of a computer screen. Mistakes here can be very unforgiving.

If you're ever in Houston, I'd be happy to walk you through my process.

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Old 10-31-2016, 11:28 AM   #20
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Assuming Spartan uses a non synthetic grease is there any concern with adding a synthetic?

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Mark,

Your question is a good one and I can admit I didn't think of it when choosing my grease. I just got off the phone with Spartan customer service and when I told the customer service rep which grease I was using he quickly said that's fine. I then pressed him with your question about mixing synthetic with non synthetic and he hesitated, said he didn't know and then put me on hold. Came back rather quickly and said they use non synthetic and don't recommend mixing. Seemed an awful lot like they had never been asked that before.

I'll also add that my chassis was pretty much dry when I purchased the rig. My boots were completely caved in and I went thru a lot of grease on my initial inspection and servicing. Not sure it was ever lubed at the factory, (synthetic or non synthetic)?

Thanks for your question! Love that we can come here and put our heads together.

By the way.. I also drive up on pressure treated wood blocks I built when servicing. Don't want to feel like one of those bugs on the windshield if the bags deflate.
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Jamie,

Thanks for the feedback. I still don't understand how Spartan could overlook a proper chassis lube at the factory.

X2 on the dead bug!!
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I thought a lot of people where using Speedco is not this part of the service from them you pay for.


Paul, yes if you have your service done at speedco they will lube the chassis as part of the PM.

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Old 10-31-2016, 07:06 PM   #23
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Jamie,

Thanks for the feedback. I still don't understand how Spartan could overlook a proper chassis lube at the factory.

X2 on the dead bug!!

I seriously doubt that Spartan greases these components as they are supply by a vendor and Spartan assumes the vendor has taken care of this. I went through this with a 2013 Aspire when I lubed the front suspension the first time at 5,000 miles I had water come out of two joints. I emailed Spartan but never got a reply on this issue.
For anyone that has done a tour at Spartan have you seen anyone lubing chassis component? I have been there twice but don't recall see anyone preforming this function.
I could be very well wrong, just going from my experience.
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Thanks for the feedback. I still don't understand how Spartan could overlook a proper chassis lube at the factory.

X2 on the dead bug!!
My coach had very stiff steering all the way home from Atlanta. I also found that it was not greased by anyone....Spartan, Entegra and the delivering dealer. I fought the steering for the first 1,000 miles as a result. Every zerk took around 10 strokes of the grease gun.
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My coach had very stiff steering all the way home from Atlanta. I also found that it was not greased by anyone....Spartan, Entegra and the delivering dealer. I fought the steering for the first 1,000 miles as a result. Every zerk took around 10 strokes of the grease gun.
My drive home from the dealer was similar. (Very stiff wheel) my last coach was a 39 foot 33 thousand pound chassis DP, so I assumed the heavier Anthem was the reason the wheel was so stiff. After pumping quite a bit of grease the wheel turned with one finger. Seems like everyone passes the buck regarding this issue thru the manufacturing and delivery process.

I am a firm believer in routine maintenance to prevent big problems down the road. I hate it when corners are cut, and for this reason I usually try to do it myself so at least I know it was done right.
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I thought a lot of people where using Speedco is not this part of the service from them you pay for.
I still grease mine before every long trip. Grease does dry out from sitting, and the U joints need to be greased every 5,000 miles. I go to Speedco once a year or 15,000 miles, a lube job doesn't really last that long, especially the U joints. I learned that one the hard way too Of course it happened in a part of the country where there were no U joints and one had to be trucked in.
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Thanks for the feedback. I still don't understand how Spartan could overlook a proper chassis lube at the factory.
Or proper steering checks. I am still scratching my head on that one having lived through it.
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Oh, by the way if you grease a U-Joint, ensure it accepts grease at both zerk fittings. If one won't accept grease, rotate the shaft and try again. If it won't accept grease regardless, you might remove it for inspection. I discovered a smoked joint this way, prior to failure, on a 23,000 mile coach.

Hope this helps,

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How do you rotate the drive shaft? Am I thinking correctly that the rear wheels would need to be off the ground, and the parking brake released before you can rotate it?
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