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Old 04-13-2014, 02:22 PM   #15
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When you are buying a ten year old coach, depreciation charts mean very little. What matters is supply and demand, and even moreso CONDITION. A pristine 10 yr old could be worth twice the price of a 10 yrold beater.
I think twice the price between 10-year old same model coaches would be difficult to justify. Unless one coach is really a total wreck, as in salvaged after driving into a lake. I would expect that with the K3 chassis and barring water damage, most Cornerstones should be in pretty similar condition. I do expect to need to replace tires, batteries, refrigerators and update a few of the amenities inside ... Also, if Cornerstones hold up with age, then NADA prices kick in. That and competition between dealers and pricing at dealer-only auctions.
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Yea. I don't think I did the chart above correctly ...

Here is another version of the above chart. This one takes each depreciation percentage from the original selling price of $450K

First column is the year after purchase, then the percentage depreciation for that year. The third column would be the approximate used price for this coach after that many years ...

1 18% 369K
2 10% 324K
3 7% 293K
4 6% 266K
5 6% 239K
6 5% 216K
7 5% 194K
8 4% 175K
9 4% 158K
10 3% 144K
11 3% 130K
12 2% 122K
13 2% 113K ... 25% left from the original $450K selling price.

Does anyone know if this is the correct way to calculate depreciation? ... I like this chart better
If your chart is correct, I'll be looking for a 2011-2012 used Cornerstone at the end of 2015. I note that the 2009-2012 Cornerstone has the K-2 Spartan Chassis and the 500 HP Cummins, which I'm perfectly happy with. This chassis has been on the Tiffin Zephyr for a long time and was considered the benchmark for many hears until the K-3/600 hp arrived. If you consider a 2009-2012, it will be on the K-2 chassis & 500 HP Cummins.
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If your chart is correct, I'll be looking for a 2011-2012 used Cornerstone at the end of 2015. I note that the 2009-2012 Cornerstone has the K-2 Spartan Chassis and the 500 HP Cummins, which I'm perfectly happy with. This chassis has been on the Tiffin Zephyr for a long time and was considered the benchmark for many hears until the K-3/600 hp arrived. If you consider a 2009-2012, it will be on the K-2 chassis & 500 HP Cummins.
Ummmm. Thanks for the heads up on the model years for the K2 and K3.

It seems that I will need to revisit my need for a K3 600 hp as I get closer to selecting my rig in a few years.

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If your chart is correct, I'll be looking for a 2011-2012 used Cornerstone at the end of 2015. I note that the 2009-2012 Cornerstone has the K-2 Spartan Chassis and the 500 HP Cummins, which I'm perfectly happy with. This chassis has been on the Tiffin Zephyr for a long time and was considered the benchmark for many hears until the K-3/600 hp arrived. If you consider a 2009-2012, it will be on the K-2 chassis & 500 HP Cummins.
I did more thinking about this buying used thing ...

1 - If I buy a 10-year old Cornerstone, it's about $150K. Five years after that, you may be able to sell it for about $100K.

2 - If I buy a 5-year old Cornerstone, it's about $250K. Five years after that, you may be able to sell it for about $150K.

So the analysis above is this:

If you upgrade to a 5-year old Cornerstone every 5 years, then you're putting out $100K every five years in addition to the first purchase at $250K.

If you upgrade to a 10-year old Cornerstone every 5 years, then you're putting out $50K every five years in addition to the first purchase of $150K.

I did the above analysis so I could figure out how much it would cost to upgrade every few years while enjoying the fulltiming lifestyle. Every few years coaches will continue changing for the best. New technologies, safety, comfort ...

But note this, upgrading every 5 years to a 10-year old coach instead of a 5-year old coach essentially means that you're 5 years behind in technology from the 5 year younger coach, but you have saved $50K. I guess one way to look at this is that the $50K in savings could buy a lot of updates and maintenance on the 10-year old coach ...

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Cuco, you will find Travel Supreme Selects now selling in the $150k range, ranging from 2007 and a bit older. Reason is, it's an orphan coach and is a good buy. The '07 Select retailed in the $510k range, the Alante retailed at $460. I bought one. Same chassis, just a bit less trim. Then you could consider a Select Limited with the 600hp K-2 chassis for a bit more....might be your best option for your budget. In a year or two, it would fit your budget.
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... In a year or two, it would fit your budget.
Oh, you're killing me! My wife wants to start fulltiming in 2 years. I hope she doesn't see this.
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Cuco, you will find Travel Supreme Selects now selling in the $150k range, ranging from 2007 and a bit older. Reason is, it's an orphan coach and is a good buy. The '07 Select retailed in the $510k range, the Alante retailed at $460. I bought one. Same chassis, just a bit less trim. Then you could consider a Select Limited with the 600hp K-2 chassis for a bit more....might be your best option for your budget. In a year or two, it would fit your budget.
Slabman, I just looked at a 2008 Travel Supreme Select video on YouTube. It is a beautiful coach. I'm not familiar with the Travel Supreme coaches since I just started my research into fulltiming last month. I have researched Newmar King Aire (Too flashy/glitzy and overpriced for the 600 HP engine). Entegra Cornerstone (Not glitzy but warm wood colors --> DW approves, but not around long enough to establish a track record as a used coach).

How would you compare the Travel Supreme Select and Limited coaches to the Newmar high end coaches and the Cornerstone?
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Now that I have a Newmar, I think the quality is top notch, yet some things still bug me just like with all coaches. Newmar Essex and KA give you all the glitz, but for full timing we feel the TS coaches were really the best. Lots of storage, for one thing...wish we had more in this one.

The Select is the most comparable to today,s Cornerstone, although I see where the CS has cut a few corners from what the Select offered. select's cabinet finishes were superb! And granite, leather on furniture, etc. are outstanding! The Select Limited took this to another level...it was for the guy who just had to have everything! An air operated door into the BR, 600HP, even fancier cabinetry and finishes...the best! This sounds like the one you're pining for...esp. With 600 horses to move all your stuff! Do some looking on RV Trader and see what you think.
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