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09-07-2013, 12:31 PM
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Senior Member
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Posts: 218
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Originally Posted by DSL417
You're going to love it...when are you headed to the big sky country???
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We leave tomorrow for 3 months!! All packed, bikes loaded, toad hooked up and ready to roll. After a quick stop at Spartan and Equalizer we will head to Steam Boat Springs, Colorado. So excited to finally be ready to spend some time in the new coach.
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2014 Entegra Anthem DEQ
2012 Ford F-150, 2011 Harley Streetglide & Heritage
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09-07-2013, 02:48 PM
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#16
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Senior Member
Newmar Owners Club Freightliner Owners Club Spartan Chassis
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: ON THE ROAD...SOMEWHERE
Posts: 6,973
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Originally Posted by Mr_Mechanica
Awesome answers and feedback! Seems that there isn't a big difference between the drivability of a Entegra and Newmar -- folks seem to be pleased with both.
Comfort Drive appears to really shine when compared to non Entegra coaches but with an Entegra the difference is not a big selling advantage.
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I think the CD makes the most difference with shorter/non-tag chassis. It really doesn't relate to the coach maker. A Newmar on the same chassis as an Entegra is a draw in the handling area. I am not versed in the difference in FL vs. Spartan so there could be something in that since Newmar puts the Dutch Star line on those now.
I'm happy with my 43' DSDP's handling and am not convinced I would spend more for CD but I would have to actually drive a CD model to make that call. I've driven my DSDP enough to be happy without the CD.
In the end, I am impressed with the value Entegra brings to the mix. If we decide to make one more trade...Entegra will defiantly be in the mix.
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Don, Sandee & GSD Zeus. Guardian GSDs Gunny (7/11/15) & Thor (5/5/15)
2006 2015 DSDP 4320 4369, FL Chassis, 2013 CR-V 2020 Jeep Overland, Blue Ox Avail, SMI AF1.
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09-07-2013, 04:04 PM
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Senior Member
Entegra Owners Club
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 6,688
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Originally Posted by DianneS
We leave tomorrow for 3 months!! All packed, bikes loaded, toad hooked up and ready to roll. After a quick stop at Spartan and Equalizer we will head to Steam Boat Springs, Colorado. So excited to finally be ready to spend some time in the new coach.
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Take your fly rods...we have some friends you've spent the summer in central and Western CO in state parks and campgrounds and lakes...they've been enjoying lake trout all summer, plus some beautiful scenery. Take care though, near any old forest fire burn scars; they've had some real problems with flash floods this summer with any kind of thunderstorm. We missed the first Manitou Springs flash flood by about 20 minutes. Have fun.
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2015 Cornerstone 45J
2020 Ford F-150 Lariat
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01-09-2014, 04:08 PM
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#18
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Senior Member
Evergreen Owners Club
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: W palm beach ,Fl
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comfort drive sounds like a enhanced trucenter from blue ox . I just got a trucenter for my coach and instead of a computer counter acting the steering the driver pushes a button to adjust the steering in the wind or from a crown in the road . its not one finger driving like the comfort drive but it does bring the wheel back to center . also it take's a lot of stress out of driving from what I have seen with 1200 mile's on it , cost about $ 1300 installed
mike
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01-09-2014, 07:15 PM
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Senior Member
Entegra Owners Club
Join Date: Nov 2012
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In have driven a Newmar with Comfort Drive (CD) and owned a Beaver with Tru-Center (TC). I liked the Comfort Drive much more than Tru-Center. TC makes the steering heavy and stiff, whereas CD is smooth and easy to steer. No contest, CD is better. But it is only one feature, and you have to compare all the features of each coach vs. the other. If it were only about CD I would have bought a Mountain Aire, but I bought an Entegra Anthem based on many other features that I liked better in the Anthem. And while the Anthem does not have CD, it is still one great driving coach.
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Marc and Jill, Wellington FL
2013 Entegra Anthem 44SL
2018 Lincoln MKX
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01-09-2014, 09:43 PM
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Senior Member
Entegra Owners Club
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 178
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Originally Posted by mikebrls
comfort drive sounds like a enhanced trucenter from blue ox . I just got a trucenter for my coach and instead of a computer counter acting the steering the driver pushes a button to adjust the steering in the wind or from a crown in the road . its not one finger driving like the comfort drive but it does bring the wheel back to center . also it take's a lot of stress out of driving from what I have seen with 1200 mile's on it , cost about $ 1300 installed
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I have to agree, Ive driven Newmars, lovely coach, nice steering. I went with the Entegra and a trucenter. I feel I get the same finger drive with a itty bitty bit of stiffniess at a much lower cost compared to a comparable Newmar. This is just a preference and a section I made after looking at everything that was "optional" on Newmar and standard on the Entegra..
Edit.. OOps, I have an Aspire.. I also couldn't see spending the extra for IFS, the aspire dives like a dream point to point, but the real enjoyment is the destination for me.
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2012 bright orange Jeep Wrangler dinghy
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01-10-2014, 02:24 PM
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Senior Member
Entegra Owners Club
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Ft Lauderdale, Florida
Posts: 714
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Have driven an Anthem and Newmar w/comfort dive and, candidly, I don't think there is a huge advantage for Comfort Drive. Also drove a Cornerstone with the K3 chassis, which is one of the reasons I have one on order. All are beautiful coaches and I will not get in an argument with Nemar Owners about Comfort Drive. It depends on how YOU view it. Drive both and decide yourself. With me, dollar for dollar, the Entegra product was a winner.
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01-10-2014, 03:27 PM
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Senior Member
Entegra Owners Club
Join Date: Nov 2012
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Originally Posted by rvbmw1
"The CD (Column Drive by TRW, Newmar calls it Comfort Drive) product is an electronic steering aid that is located between the steering wheel and the steering gear. It is not connected to, nor does it directly affect any portion of the hydraulic system. It is a software-driven computerized device that utilizes an electro servo motor to react to user steering input, steering gear feedback and self centering predictability".
Frank Wyzywany, of Spartan Chassis, told me this can be an option on any coach for a $6,500 up charge. No one, except Newmar, see's the value.
I know Entegra Coach looked into this system a few years ago and decided CD was not enough valve to justify the added cost.
I have driven both, and I agree with Entegra.
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If it had been offered as an Entegra option, I would have bought it.
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2013 Entegra Anthem 44SL
2018 Lincoln MKX
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01-10-2014, 04:49 PM
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Senior Member
Texas Boomers Club
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Lamar, Missouri
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How much difference doe a tag axel make in the wind?
Is it the tag...steering type...wheel base...?
I have a 2014 Thor Palazzo 36.1 Freightliner 300HP Cummins. About 9750 miles on it after picking it up 6/28.
It's "OK" under 8 or 9 mph wind...but anything over that and it becomes a nightmare. I've played around with tire pressures, and had local Freightliner shop do an alignment. Very little help. It's to the point I don't feel safe driving it with any side wind. We're trying to decide if there is any way to "fix it" or do we have to cash in another $100K of retirement and go to something like:
1. Entegra Aspire
2. Newmar Ventana 40-42'
3. Thor Tuscany 42-45'
Or something with a tag axel...?
HELP!
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2014 F250 Diesel, PullRite SuperGlide, AirLift 5000s
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01-10-2014, 05:42 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2013
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We're on coach #5 and the last 2 had Comfort Drive, so we spent a lot of miles in the first 3 coaches that didn't have it. Those that are interested should go to the Newmar website and look at their videos, it's a fair representation of what the system does. The fact that Newell picked it up after the exclusive period, as a perceived advantage over their main competition (Prevost) probably also says something. We have noticed that it adds a fair amount to the ease to of all of the driving, and a LOT of help when driving in strong crosswinds ( Kansas). We often do 500 to 600 mile days. If someone is doing 55MPH and 200 mile days, it's probably not a big deal.
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01-10-2014, 05:43 PM
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Senior Member
Newmar Owners Club Freightliner Owners Club Spartan Chassis
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: ON THE ROAD...SOMEWHERE
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Batten54
How much difference doe a tag axel make in the wind?
Is it the tag...steering type...wheel base...?...
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To answer the first question...A LOT!
Why? Well, some of the above and some. The tag certainly helps keep a straight line regardless of CD or not. With that you get longer wheel base which also helps. The other thing you generally get is a heavier MH. Weight does matter.
As to the steering type I still THINK that CD makes a major/biggest difference in MHs without a tag. HOWEVER...I haven't driven a CD so I may be talking out my ars. CD does a couple tricks that help regardless of MH length.
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2006 2015 DSDP 4320 4369, FL Chassis, 2013 CR-V 2020 Jeep Overland, Blue Ox Avail, SMI AF1.
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01-10-2014, 11:44 PM
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Senior Member
Newmar Owners Club
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Ozarks
Posts: 188
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Batten54
How much difference doe a tag axel make in the wind?
Is it the tag...steering type...wheel base...?
I have a 2014 Thor Palazzo 36.1 Freightliner 300HP Cummins. About 9750 miles on it after picking it up 6/28.
It's "OK" under 8 or 9 mph wind...but anything over that and it becomes a nightmare. I've played around with tire pressures, and had local Freightliner shop do an alignment. Very little help. It's to the point I don't feel safe driving it with any side wind. We're trying to decide if there is any way to "fix it" or do we have to cash in another $100K of retirement and go to something like:
1. Entegra Aspire
2. Newmar Ventana 40-42'
3. Thor Tuscany 42-45'
Or something with a tag axel...?
HELP!
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It's mainly the tag, but longer wheelbase and weight add more stability as well. We had a 36' Tiffin Phaeton and suffered the same instability issues as you. It was an absolute nightmare to drive in higher crosswinds. So much so, that we sold it and went to a tag axle coach. The difference is remarkable and no more white knuckles! You hear many opinions from non-Comfort Drive owners as to the value added versus cost, but there is one thing for sure, drive a CD coach a 1,000 miles and you will never buy another without it.
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01-11-2014, 06:06 AM
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Senior Member
Evergreen Owners Club
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: W palm beach ,Fl
Posts: 642
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Batten54
How much difference doe a tag axel make in the wind?
Is it the tag...steering type...wheel base...?
I have a 2014 Thor Palazzo 36.1 Freightliner 300HP Cummins. About 9750 miles on it after picking it up 6/28.
It's "OK" under 8 or 9 mph wind...but anything over that and it becomes a nightmare. I've played around with tire pressures, and had local Freightliner shop do an alignment. Very little help. It's to the point I don't feel safe driving it with any side wind. We're trying to decide if there is any way to "fix it" or do we have to cash in another $100K of retirement and go to something like:
1. Entegra Aspire
2. Newmar Ventana 40-42'
3. Thor Tuscany 42-45'
Or something with a tag axel...?
HELP!
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I have a palazzo 33.3 and added a blue ox truceneter it cost about $ 1300 installed it help's a lot , it took a few hundred miles to get used to . I would say try the trucenter first it's only $1300 installed a lot cheaper then loosing big money on a trade in and spending more on a new coach so soon ,
a few week's ago we did 1200 mile's and 20 mph winds and the coach was ok to drive at 60 to 65 mph once you set the trucenter , you will still have some wheel play but you wont have to white knuckle it .
I don't think it will drive as good as a tag axle that way's twice as much weight but it won't cost you an extra $ 100 k either .
if your down in south Florida and you want to meet up to take a ride in mine to see how the trucenter feels' just pm me .
mike
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01-11-2014, 08:41 AM
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Senior Member
Texas Boomers Club
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Lamar, Missouri
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What about the chassis? Does Freightliner vs. Spartan etc. make any difference?
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2014 F250 Diesel, PullRite SuperGlide, AirLift 5000s
2017 Keystone Sprinter 298FWRLS
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