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Old 03-14-2021, 02:19 PM   #1
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Entegra TPMS for Toads

What TPMS does Entegra use for Toads?
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What TPMS does Entegra use for Toads?
Entegra does not use a system for the toad. They have an add on for the Valid TPMS that is installed with the digital dashes, but I am not pleased enough with my system to add the toad to that system. I am going to install the TST color monitor system. The link is for example, a better price might be found online. https://www.amazon.com/Sensor-Monito...s%2C200&sr=8-3
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Entegra does not use a system for the toad. They have an add on for the Valid TPMS that is installed with the digital dashes, but I am not pleased enough with my system to add the toad to that system. I am going to install the TST color monitor system. The link is for example, a better price might be found online. https://www.amazon.com/Sensor-Monito...s%2C200&sr=8-3
Good choice, I am doing the same and just purchased the additional 2 pass-thru sensors for the tag axle. The TST system works great.
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Old 03-14-2021, 07:28 PM   #4
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The Valid system as installed on Entegras is unreliable. You are better off with an after-market system and I have re-installed our after-market TPMS from our 2016.
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All Cornerstone and Anthems have the Valor TPMS system installed and read out on the dash. The default display is only for the 8 tires on the coach. However, you can easily expand the display to also include the four toad tires. You need to buy four additional sensors which are installed around the wheels inside the tires. The sensors are installed near the stems so that you know where the sensors are located for programming them. They can be programmed by a bluetooth programmer which tends not to come with the coach but all dealers have them. I bought my own for about $200.00. However I have never needed to adjust the set points with the programmer once we really understood where they needed to set.

Each toad sensor costs ~ $50. It cost me $80 to have the 4 installed on my Honda CR-V and rebalanced. You get the toad sensors from Don Rigby.

Now, as you have already read, some don't like them. That is their opinion. I like the system most of the time. I had a real mess getting the system and sensors to work properly but then my 19 came down the assembly line in spring of 18 and was literally the first coach that NIRVC's people successfully (not really) got the system to work right (long story). Since then, hundreds of Entegras have come off the assembly line and dealers and the factory have figured out how to use them. I have now put 35,000 miles on my coach and have had good experience with the system on the coach and on the Honda. It is nice to have all the information built into the dash. No extra displays... So, I am happy with my system, and with a few exceptions, I read very few complaints up here on the forum from new coach owners.

Now I can write 50 pages on all of this and if you search this forum, you will find that I HAVE ALREADY written all 50 of them over the past 2.5 years. You can find them by searching for Valor TMPS and my name. Try this: ENTEGRA: Valor TPMS Gary Jones and see what you get. The system does work and the toad does work well also. You just need to get it adjusted correctly.

We don't need to relitigate all this all again .... a couple of good searches and some serious reading and its all in the archives.

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I like the system most of the time.
Me too.

I added it to my Jeep Cherokee and it's reliable. NIRVC is exploring some connectivity issues with my outer dual on the driver side but the tow vehicle is usually spot on.

I bought tires for the Jeep and Discount Tire installed the Valor TPMS units at no charge. They damaged one of the Jeep units (you'll have two sensors per tire; the OEM one and the Valor one) and we had to go back and forth on this until they decided they may have made a mistake and corrected it.

Don Rigby is a great guy to work with if you decide to install the Valor system. Once the units are in your wheels, you'll have to program your coach to see them. He loaned me a tool to make the modifications and stayed on the phone with me, walking me through the process. It took about 30 minutes and is a straightforward process.
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When I was at Spartan back in mid November, Andy installed either a second or third (I think it was a third antenna) to the coach.... one in the front, two in the back (one extra in the back) and I now have no problems seeing all the toad tires. I saw them before but sometimes one would drop off for a while and then reappear. The Spartan tech said that adding an additional antenna would really help the situation and I have had very little problem with missing tire signals with this new array..

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The valid TPMS on my coach is unreliable. I use TST for my toad, but may expand it to my Cornerstone as well.
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The valid TPMS on my coach is unreliable. I use TST for my toad, but may expand it to my Cornerstone as well.
Same here. Then there is the fact we have to buy the tool in order to change the settings. My tst has been great and easy to change parameters.

Tpms has been out for years not sure why this system seems light years behind
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Same here. Then there is the fact we have to buy the tool in order to change the settings. My tst has been great and easy to change parameters.

Tpms has been out for years not sure why this system seems light years behind
I have to agree with your statements. We had the coach out for a short trip last week where the temperatures were below 85 degrees. The Valid worked fine. As soon as the temperatures exceeds 90 degrees, the excessive pressure amber warning lights will dominate the dash. Apparently the system needs to be re programmed again to allow for temperature changes. Does not make sense. I do not have that problem with a very simple Chevy pickup that has been driven in 35 degrees up to 110.
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The limits that define an amber light and a red warning are pretty "tight" My memory is that amber is a 20% rise in pressure. Same is true for the low pressure points but they may be even "tighter". And all definitions of pressure point other than normal are based on what baseline is set. If the baselines are set wrong, then everything is going to be proportionally out of whack. Same process as any external mounted TPMS!

I had to have all my tires removed and all sensors replaced since my coach apparently came down the line with old sensors installed which had been laying around in a box for a couple of years while they were evaluating things (all of our guesses) and I think the baselines were reprogrammed by the tech at Spartan and for the first time in 2.5 yeas, I got an amber warning on the front steer tire on the way to Dallas. The pressure in that tire was one degree higher than the pressure in the driver side tire but it was amber and the driver side green. I watched it carefully and it increased no further after that. So my assumption is the tech at Spartan moved the baselines and I need to move that tire up another degree or two based on my loads....

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The limits that define an amber light and a red warning are pretty "tight" My memory is that amber is a 20% rise in pressure. Same is true for the low pressure points but they may be even "tighter". And all definitions of pressure point other than normal are based on what baseline is set. If the baselines are set wrong, then everything is going to be proportionally out of whack. Same process as any external mounted TPMS!

I had to have all my tires removed and all sensors replaced since my coach apparently came down the line with old sensors installed which had been laying around in a box for a couple of years while they were evaluating things (all of our guesses) and I think the baselines were reprogrammed by the tech at Spartan and for the first time in 2.5 yeas, I got an amber warning on the front steer tire on the way to Dallas. The pressure in that tire was one degree higher than the pressure in the driver side tire but it was amber and the driver side green. I watched it carefully and it increased no further after that. So my assumption is the tech at Spartan moved the baselines and I need to move that tire up another degree or two based on my loads....

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Gary, that is the whole point. On an after market TPMS, I do not have to spend another $200. to make constant adjustments. On the after market TPMS, set it once and forget it. On the Valor, currently if the asphalt increases in tempreture, it needs to be adjusted again.
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Thanks to everyone for the feedback. I learned something and appreciate you sharing relative info with me. Gary.J, FYI, I did conduct a search and review of threads regarding TPMS. There are over 1,200 threads that mention TPMS. I read many of them including yours.

I have been using the same tire minder system since 2006 and for some reason thought I had read that Entegra's system was compatible with TST. I now know that is incorrect and that there are mixed reviews regarding the quality and accuracy of the Valor system that comes with our rigs.

One of the issues I pointed out to our salesman before driving off the lot was the TPMS was not monitoring all the tires. They blew me off stating it just need some break in miles. BS....the 1,000 mile drive from the factory should have been more than enough to break the system in.

Given 1) the extra cost for installing compatible sensors in my toad, 2) the continuing inaccurate readings of the system in my rig, and 3) the cost and work associated with (A) replacing dead batteries in any of the tires equipped with internal sensors and/or (B) replacement of any tire, I am inclined, like others, to continue using a stand alone aftermarket system. (Caveat: $50 per toad sensor is comparable to the cost of replacing a sensor when you buy and install a new tire; so the purchase price of Valor's compatible sensor for you toad is reasonable.)

Perhaps this topic should be made a sticky...easy enough to do, would save time and answer questions for new owners as well as minimize the risk of relitigating this issue.
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