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09-17-2020, 04:39 PM
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#43
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Senior Member
Entegra Owners Club
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: SW FL
Posts: 31,626
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Originally Posted by Grandpa5x
I don’t know who owns integra, but if it’s a division of Thor you might want to reconsider. Everything Thor touches turns to crap.
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Really?, how many have you owned? I am on my second Thor owned, Entegra built Entegra. It is 4X the coach my 14 was when Entegra was Jayco owned. I haven't had any problem with the money spent. The 14, not so much.
Bob, you experienced the same thing I did on the tours I took of the two manufactures. Love it when the other brand owners have no documentation, only being a parrot to what they have heard on the internet.
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Digital 2021 Cornerstone "B"
A "Digital" 2019 Cornerstone "B" Traded
A "Classic" 2014 Anthem 42 RBQ---Sold
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09-17-2020, 05:02 PM
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#44
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Highland NY
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Originally Posted by brobox
Really, how many have you owned? I am on my second Thor owned, Entegra built Entegra. It is 4X the coach my 14 was when Entegra was Jayco owned. I haven't had any problem with the money spent.
Bob you experience the same thing I did on the tours I took of the two manufactures when I toured the plants. Love it when the other brand owners have no documentation, only being a parrot to what they have heard on the internet.
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Must be troll month
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2021 Cornerstone Y Azure
2018 Anthem, Victory Blue Sold, 2019 Ram Laramie 1500
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09-17-2020, 06:35 PM
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#45
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Senior Member
Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 2,281
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I've toured both and for many reasons I will be an Entegra Cornerstone owner in the future.
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2006 Moncaco Executive Ranier
Detrioit Series 60 (515HP), Allison 4000 series
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09-17-2020, 08:36 PM
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#46
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Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Stillwater, Ok
Posts: 4,812
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From what I can see and find from knowledgeable owners and dealers, Entegras are better now than in the pre Thor era. And I have owned a Travel Supreme and four Entegras that were all great. I am driving a Newmar now and it is well built and I love it but if Entegra made a 35 ft luxury coach that is what I would be driving. Thankfully Thor motorhomes is only owned by Thor industries, not dictating to Air Steam or Jayco divisions how to build or back coaches. Hopefully Winnebago will do similar with Newmar. All JMHO
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2018 Lincoln MKX
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09-18-2020, 06:27 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2019
Location: Mooresville Indiana
Posts: 175
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Different choices for a reason
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Originally Posted by MuggsnMe
Thank you for your response. Last year we took the tour in Nappanee, and enjoyed the tour.
We are not impressed with the cost to eliminate stuff (upcharge).
We are not impressed with the ‘upcharge’ of the spartan chassis.
Not impressed with how they lay the floors, as compared with Entegra. Newmar lays the whole floor, then puts walls and cabinets on top. Entegra puts in walls and cabinets, then floors.
Not impressed with one year warranty, compared to two.
Not impressed with Newmar slideout mechanism, very inferior to Entegra,s ReliaTorque, cogwheel style.
Prefer Entegra insulated flooring over Newmar. Also prefer the fact that the floor is triple screwed to steel frame.
Prefer Entegra vertically louvered radiator door panel, has far superior cooling.
This is just a few things that I noticed, and took notes on. This is just my personal preference. Newmar has more bling, but that’s not what I’m looking for in a motor coach.
Thanks Bob
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Camping is all about options, for sure, so I’m glad you like what you have. We searched for years and researched and toured and preferred Newmar. Our uncle is a fan of Winnebago... As long as people are happy with what they got. We won’t be buying new coaches every few year so long term construction quality and servicing was important to us. We hate the 1/2 bath concept in general so chose a Dutchstar 4054. We’ll be remodeling when we want a change verses buying another new coach and Newmar works on their coaches forever. Again, glad your happy and appreciate your list. It does demonstrate how people look at different things or look at the same thing and see it differently.
Happy and Safe travels.
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Mooresville Indiana
2020 Newmar Dutchstar 4054 DP- Spartan K2 Chassis; tag axel
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09-18-2020, 02:08 PM
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#48
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Pa
Posts: 106
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Quote:
Originally Posted by brobox
Really?, how many have you owned? I am on my second Thor owned, Entegra built Entegra. It is 4X the coach my 14 was when Entegra was Jayco owned. I haven't had any problem with the money spent. The 14, not so much.
Bob, you experienced the same thing I did on the tours I took of the two manufactures. Love it when the other brand owners have no documentation, only being a parrot to what they have heard on the internet.
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Yes, the tour was interesting, and we learned a lot.
What I stated in my previous post, was exactly what we saw, with no embellishments added.
If I took the tour again, I might notice even more differences.
Some look at the interior, I look at the construction.
Thank for the chuckles. Glad someone else noticed the obvious bias against ‘integra’.
Hope to meet you someday while we are out and about, and can share a drink.
Thanks, Bob
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09-21-2020, 05:33 PM
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#49
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Tucson
Posts: 442
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Quote:
Originally Posted by brobox
I didn't. Toured both plants a couple of times. One Travel Supreme and 3rd Entegras later, still no Newmar's. Great coach, but they are not the only coach. I hate the door in the 1/2 baths on the Newmar. Tore a belt loop on my pants going into one at one of the shows. Not or me.
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Not all Newmar floorplans have the funky half bath doors. Mine has a regular hinged door that opens fully even with the slides in.
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09-22-2020, 05:21 PM
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#50
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Senior Member
Newmar Owners Club
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Could be anywhere
Posts: 589
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I'm an old record on 2 things with Entegra: 1) Carpet inside (even in a Cornerstone) and 2) liquid heated floors. We arrive, turn our heated floors on in our Newmar, and have even/consistent heat in 30 minutes. The worst kept secret with Entegra is the spotty/cold spots even after 24 hours. We never boondock and could care less Aqua Hot doesn't use electricity. Oasis is better than Aqua Hot as well. We had AH in a Tiffin and had nothing but problems with it.
Talk with Newmar! You'll love the flexibility being able to personalize decor, colors, paint choices, etc.
Entegra did finally add a kitchen window. Yeah!
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2018 Newmar Dutch Star 4369 K2; 2021 Jeep Gladiator Mojave
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09-22-2020, 05:30 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Highland NY
Posts: 3,905
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Desertboyz
I'm an old record on 2 things with Entegra: 1) Carpet inside (even in a Cornerstone) and 2) liquid heated floors. We arrive, turn our heated floors on in our Newmar, and have even/consistent heat in 30 minutes. The worst kept secret with Entegra is the spotty/cold spots even after 24 hours. We never boondock and could care less Aqua Hot doesn't use electricity. Oasis is better than Aqua Hot as well. We had AH in a Tiffin and had nothing but problems with it.
Talk with Newmar! You'll love the flexibility being able to personalize decor, colors, paint choices, etc.
Entegra did finally add a kitchen window. Yeah!
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I agree about the floor heat, but why is Oasis better than AH?
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2021 Cornerstone Y Azure
2018 Anthem, Victory Blue Sold, 2019 Ram Laramie 1500
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09-22-2020, 05:48 PM
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#52
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Senior Member
Newmar Owners Club
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Could be anywhere
Posts: 589
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Quote:
Originally Posted by buddy110
I agree about the floor heat, but why is Oasis better than AH?
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I can only speak from our experience. The Oasis is stronger, more robust. Zero problems and consistently reliable. The only negative we've experienced after 3 years is that it's louder outside...a low rumble.
Your Aqua Hot goes out in an Entegra also takes out your heated floors.
Many positives about Entegra! I don't mean to be negative. But certain things swayed us to Newmar after we thought we had decided on Entegra.
Angie at NIRVC loves selling Entegra because it's a simple matter to order/sell. No options to deal with. Ordering a Newmar takes far more thought and information.
Don't rush, take a minute to see what matters.
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2018 Newmar Dutch Star 4369 K2; 2021 Jeep Gladiator Mojave
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09-22-2020, 05:51 PM
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#53
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Senior Member
Entegra Owners Club
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 8,108
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You can't get a ceiling fan on a Newmar, so no Newmar for us. Wife won't live without her ceiling fan.
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2013 Entegra Anthem 44SL
2018 Lincoln MKX
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09-22-2020, 05:59 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Highland NY
Posts: 3,905
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Desertboyz
I can only speak from our experience. The Oasis is stronger, more robust. Zero problems and consistently reliable. The only negative we've experienced after 3 years is that it's louder outside...a low rumble.
Your Aqua Hot goes out in an Entegra also takes out your heated floors.
Many positives about Entegra! I don't mean to be negative. But certain things swayed us to Newmar after we thought we had decided on Entegra.
Angie at NIRVC loves selling Entegra because it's a simple matter to order/sell. No options to deal with. Ordering a Newmar takes far more thought and information.
Don't rush, take a minute to see what matters.
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We looked at Newmar after owning a Canyon Star, which was a great coach even for a gasser. Newmar just appealed to us more than Newmar. Both are great coaches.
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Bruce, Lisa and the pups, Charlie, Opie and Rebel
2021 Cornerstone Y Azure
2018 Anthem, Victory Blue Sold, 2019 Ram Laramie 1500
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09-22-2020, 10:34 PM
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#55
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Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Stillwater, Ok
Posts: 4,812
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After owning 4 Entegras and now 2 Newmars I agree that the Newmar floor heat is head and shoulders better than a Entegra and the Oasis is better, more reliable and has twin electric elements. The Entegra has much better paint schemes and customer service. Both are well built and Entegra has double the warranty. Agree Entegra has everything standard and more complicated to order Newmar but much easier to personalize it. Love the no carpet in the Newmar. Overall they are both great coaches and great choices. For us it had to be Newmar because of the 35’ Luxury New Aire, Entegra has no entry in that market and are really missing out. All JMHO
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2018 Lincoln MKX
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09-23-2020, 02:58 PM
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#56
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Tucson
Posts: 442
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Ditto on the 2 electric elements on the Oasis. Never use the burner for hot water or heat. Just the floor heat works quite well. If it gets really cold we have a couple of small space heaters. If no shore power, would probably use burner.
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