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Old 04-25-2020, 10:37 AM   #1
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Fastener size?

Any idea what these fasteners on the backside of the cargo door are?

They look like torx, but nothing I have fits them.Click image for larger version

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Old 04-25-2020, 10:42 AM   #2
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Fyi---

T20 won't go in the hol
T15 just spins
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Any idea what these fasteners on the backside of the cargo door are?

They look like torx, but nothing I have fits them.Attachment 283043
They are an eight point, not torque. A square bit will fit, but they strip pretty easy. I replaced all of mine with Phillips head. I have no idea why they use something that not even the factory has a bit for. They use square when they have to take a screw out.
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From what I can make out from your photo , they might be double square , or 8 point ; not 6 like torx.

Do you have a #2 Robertson to try ? That's a square drive in American speak.

Canadians and Americans , separated by a common language.

EDIT: I see Rollin101 and I tied for a posting time , sorry about the duplication.
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OK, now that is sneaky.
Seems this is an 8 point socket (where torx is 6 point)

A #2 square bit fits perfect!

Carry on.
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Replacing them sounds like a fine idea, do you recall the thread size?

BTW, I ended up in there when I couldn't get a bay door open.

Those bolts in this pic we're loose. All of them, every bay door, even with the star washers.
On my list to go through em all, locktite those screws, and adjust all the bar door latches
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They are an eight point, not torque. A square bit will fit, but they strip pretty easy. I replaced all of mine with Phillips head. I have no idea why they use something that not even the factory has a bit for. They use square when they have to take a screw out.
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Replacing them sounds like a fine idea, do you recall the thread size?

BTW, I ended up in there when I couldn't get a bay door open.

Those bolts in this pic we're loose. All of them, every bay door, even with the star washers.
On my list to go through em all, locktite those screws, and adjust all the bar door latchesAttachment 283045
I believe they were #10, but I donít recall for sure. I had to change all the locks on our 2020. Seems China changed the actuators and really screwed things up. I actually had to drill through some of the tumblers to get doors open.
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Replacing them sounds like a fine idea, do you recall the thread size?

BTW, I ended up in there when I couldn't get a bay door open.

Those bolts in this pic we're loose. All of them, every bay door, even with the star washers.
On my list to go through em all, locktite those screws, and adjust all the bar door latchesAttachment 283045
There was a post about that same issue of loose bolts about a year ago. I checked mine and they were all nice and tight. If memory serves (fifty fifty chance) there were several folks with the same issue and they were all 2017 and before, maybe Entegra bought some locktite.
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From what I can make out from your photo , they might be double square , or 8 point ; not 6 like torx.

Do you have a #2 Robertson to try ? That's a square drive in American speak. metric for square drive

Canadians and Americans , separated by a common language.

EDIT: I see Rollin101 and I tied for a posting time , sorry about the duplication.
Fixed it for you. No charge.
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Fixed it for you. No charge.
The problem is older than both of us , and goes way back to before Canada's switch to metric in the late 70's .

Phillips was American and Robertson was Canadian , both came up with an improvement on slotted screw heads and patented them in their respective countries ...... and then the fight started .

BTW: Did you know that a Robertson screw ; unlike it's Phillips counterpart ; will stay on the screwdriver , without the screwdriver being magnetized and the screw doesn't have to be ferrous.
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Only if the bit isn't worn out......lol
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Yesterday I went through all those baggage door latches.
Even with the giant star washers, each and every bolt was loose!
I unscrewed them all, squirted on some blue locktite, and cinched em tight.

I used new #10 x 3/4" phillips head screws instead of the originals to put all the covers back on.

I got one left. Pass Side Rear. Of course the one that covers all the fuses, main power switches, DEF tank, and chassis batteries.
I cannot get it open.
It makes the tinyest little click when I pull the handle (and another little click if I lay a hip into the door) but it doesn't really move.

Any tricks to getting this thing open?
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The problem is older than both of us , and goes way back to before Canada's switch to metric in the late 70's .

Phillips was American and Robertson was Canadian , both came up with an improvement on slotted screw heads and patented them in their respective countries ...... and then the fight started .

BTW: Did you know that a Robertson screw ; unlike it's Phillips counterpart ; will stay on the screwdriver , without the screwdriver being magnetized and the screw doesn't have to be ferrous.
The Robertson screws are clearly superior, yet the Phillips screws are more widely used. I wonder is there is a price difference that accounts for that.
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While the 4 point Robertson's do look superior, the 8 point things referred to in this thread are not.

But anyway, anyone have a tip on getting that door open?
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The Robertson screws are clearly superior, yet the Phillips screws are more widely used. I wonder is there is a price difference that accounts for that.
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