Mileage Tax

[HopsBrewster]

Originally Posted by Phillieagle

How does one collect mileage tax from rental vehicles? What about Canadiens or others that use our roads. With gas tax you use you pay. The roads need improvement but a well thought out plan not a knee jerk reaction.

I can fill my gas tank in Utah, paying UT fuel taxes, drive through Idaho without stopping for fuel, using their roads with subsequent wear and tear on their highway, then stop in Montana or Wyoming and fill up there, paying fuel tax to them. I haven't bought fuel in ID since 2018, though I have driven thousands of miles on their roads.
why would I do that? Idaho ticked me off when they announced that too many out of state hunters were in their wilds so had to increase the price of non-resident licenses so high that it would reduce the population of out-of-staters. No more "Free 'taters for out-of-staters" billboards there.

[markarbogast]

I wonder if they would eliminate the gasoline tax then? And Can you imagine how much goods that travel by truck will increase to cover this?
I hope they rethink this one. At least let the American people vote on this one!

Originally Posted by Dieselgem

I hope this is not taking as a political post but rather one that impacts every single rv users out there. How would paying a mileage tax impact your traveling?



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[markarbogast]

Originally Posted by Coral

Roads and bridges need repair and someone has to pay. Usage or mileage tax seems fair to me. There is no free lunch.

We all pay tax on consumed fuel already. The Lunch is not free.
LOL

[BillJinOR]

Originally Posted by markarbogast

I wonder if they would eliminate the gasoline tax then? And Can you imagine how much goods that travel by truck will increase to cover this?
I hope they rethink this one. At least let the American people vote on this one!

Trucks already pay mileage fees and even keep track of ea states mileage if interstate. Its a bookkeepers nightmare. In the end, before I retired I had a in cab computer that kept track of it and also was My legal logbook.

[F4Gary]

Originally Posted by markarbogast

We all pay tax on consumed fuel already. The Lunch is not free.
LOL

Yes, but electric car users don't pay a tax that goes to fixing roads. They pay tax on the electricity they use, but that doesn't go to road and bridge maintenance.

[PS56]

Originally Posted by richard5933

I understand the difference between a progressive and regressive tax.

I don't understand how a tax on the fuel used is any better in this regard for lower income earners than a tax on the miles driven, compared side by side (not one in addition to the other). Either way, the more you drive the more tax you pay.

An argument could easily be made that a per-mile tax is actually better for low income earners than a per-gallon tax, as many of the older/lower cost vehicles on the road are going to consume more fuel to travel the same distance and therefore result in more taxes being paid by the users. Fewer low income earners are going to be driving EVs or high-MPG vehicles than the higher wage earners, so the fuel tax will negatively impact the poorer drivers.

Not sure how a per-mile tax will affect the poor more severely than a per-gallon tax.

Not sure why you are comparing two regressive taxes - gasoline and mileage.

Not sure why you only focus on the driver/car (poor) that might not even have a car.

Not sure why you don't address the issue of the cost increase being passed along to the poor in the prices of things they buy.

[PS56]

Originally Posted by gatorb8

Imagine one day all vehicles are electric, now imagine how the roads will be paid for, that may help come up with solutions

Add a credit card payment system to the charging station at home and on the road.

[radar]

Originally Posted by PS56

Not sure why you are comparing two regressive taxes - gasoline and mileage.

Not sure why you only focus on the driver/car (poor) that might not even have a car.

Not sure why you don't address the issue of the cost increase being passed along to the poor in the prices of things they buy.

Well, a seven or eight grand solar/storage system will provide pretty much all the power a typical commuter needs for an EV if they can charge during the day. Might be hard to regulate that. That’s the thing with electric. Unlike gasoline people can make it themselves.

[PS56]

Originally Posted by radar

Well, a seven or eight grand solar/storage system will provide pretty much all the power a typical commuter needs for an EV if they can charge during the day. Might be hard to regulate that. That’s the thing with electric. Unlike gasoline people can make it themselves.

On a cross country trip or away from home, what do you do with the solar/storage system? Tow it behind you? What about someone who lives in an apartment, where would they put it?

Not sure that would work.

[radar]

Originally Posted by PS56

On a cross country trip or away from home, what do you do with the solar/storage system? Tow it behind you? What about someone who lives in an apartment, where would they put it?

Not sure that would work.

I’m not sure what you are asking. For those that can they charge at home must of the time. When on road trips they use public charging. You are kind of making my point which is taxing electricity used when charging won’t work because there are too many variables.

[PS56]

Originally Posted by radar

I’m not sure what you are asking. For those that can they charge at home must of the time. When on road trips they use public charging. You are kind of making my point which is taxing electricity used when charging won’t work because there are too many variables.

All you have to do is add a credit card payment system at the charging station.

If we can do it at the gas pump, it can be done for electric cars and trucks.

Not sure why this is hard to envision.

[Kid Gloves]

Originally Posted by PS56

Add a credit card payment system to the charging station at home and on the road.

There are state and federal rebates available to those who install charging stations. There are state and federal rebates and credits available to those who purchase an electric vehicle. There are utility company rebates and various “Clean Air Organization” incentives available as well. There are “free” charging stations popping up everywhere. Whoever is footing the bill for that electricity, isn’t paying a road tax.

As mentioned, installing solar, which is also subsidized, can offset some or all of the electricity used at home. If there is no net energy used, there is nothing to tax. No one is going to put a credit card payment system on their in home charging station. If they were forced to do that, they’d just charge from a different outlet.

[GKW]

Originally Posted by azbuzzard

With mileage tax, electric cars would pay their share.

Some States are gearing up to tax electric cars by increasing the license renewal fee.This appears to be a “catch all” that eliminates the hassle of reporting exact mileage.

[radar]

Originally Posted by PS56

All you have to do is add a credit card payment system at the charging station.

If we can do it at the gas pump, it can be done for electric cars and trucks.

Not sure why this is hard to envision.

And for those of us who only once in a while use a commercial charging station we go tax free?

I still say a registration fee annually is a good but not perfect solution for those of us driving EV’s.