More on the DEF Sensors per Cummins

[Denie]

Guess we've been lucky. Have a 2012 Seneca with Cummins 6.7. No DEF failure with 36K miles.

[Archer2]

Originally Posted by Mikenat

Correction: There is a way to get help from Cummins. They have road service. If derated and on the side of the road two things can happen. 1: Codes are verified roadside by diagnostics and is the part available? If the def part is unavailable the tech by his laptop downloads a software patch for your vin # and the codes are cleared. You agree to bring the vehicle in for repair when parts are available. Then the patch is reversed. 2: The other option is to tow/transport the derated unit to the repair facility and have the patch and or repair initiated onsite. This software is already available to any government vin priority diesel vehicle or emergency responders. So, it is not new just a positive step the EPA has allowed Cummins to do to help alleviate a bad supply issue. Regarding making proprietary software open source so anyone can modify engine specs is not going to happen. This software is vin specific. If your vin is emergency you get it programmed on the ECM. If your stuck and derated then you get it temporarily to get on down the road. Unfortunately for us we are not classified as responders so this is the best we have for now.

Mikenat, are you basing what you wrote about how Cummins could come to the rescue of a derated, stranded coach with Roadside Service on some information from Cummins or your own experience? I have spoken to a whole lot of people who have experienced a failed sensor and not one of them has been able to get the Cummins temp software whether on the roadside or otherwise.
The second thing is how did this thread get resurrected? Its been dormant since Sept 1 until yesterday.

[Ray,IN]

Read this post, https://www.irv2.com/forums/f64/if-y...cs-561860.html

[R.Wold]

Originally Posted by Ray,IN

Read this post, https://www.irv2.com/forums/f64/if-y...cs-561860.html

well thats a bit disconcerting

[dj3183]

EXACTLY!! Why hasn’t the trucking associations intervened? I have left many, many messages with the ATA (American Trucking Association), all to no avail. They never answer their telephone. I have even written a letter to the CEO of the ATA requesting his input. Never even got a response. I think the ATA is just an organization that collects money from trucking companies and does absolutely nothing for them. Let’s go, ATA. You are being conspicuously absent here.

Originally Posted by move on

This is exactly my thinking on this problem. Derating your engine is a system of punishment and you cannot automatically punish someone without due process. The EPA is way out of its authority here. I don't know why the trucking industry hasn't challenged this in federal court. It is clearly unconstitutional.


Ultimately the solution is to make engine control software open source, sort of like the android system. This would take it out of the hands of the EPA. As far as emissions compliance, the states have their emissions inspections to enforce compliance and that's all that is needed.

[Mikenat]

Originally Posted by Archer2

Mikenat, are you basing what you wrote about how Cummins could come to the rescue of a derated, stranded coach with Roadside Service on some information from Cummins or your own experience? I have spoken to a whole lot of people who have experienced a failed sensor and not one of them has been able to get the Cummins temp software whether on the roadside or otherwise.
The second thing is how did this thread get resurrected? Its been dormant since Sept 1 until yesterday.

I don’t know the answer to being dormant. My information is from my Cummins mechanic who works on engines. I own a trucking company and do business with our local Cummins Care Shop. The patch exited prior to the EPA/ Cummins announcement that this would be available to coach owners. As stated, it is either a tow or onsite. Prior to this announcement we had researched if the patch could be applied prior to experiencing a derate or failure. We were told no it couldn’t. The use was specific to government approved vin numbers. I was told when applying the software patch the vin was required to be entered into the application thereby documenting it’s usage. I am sure just calling a Cummins Care facility can verify this easily.

[Gary.Jones]

This is all bull crap when it comes to Cummins policy.... This is designed to help virtually none of us and in the least convenient and most expensive way.

I've virtually never seen such a lousy industry response to such a vexing issue. Just amazing!!

My respect for virtually everyone involved in this situation (industry/manufacturers) has taken a serious hit.... Shame.

And anyone in the government with an IQ above 70 knows that this helps virtually no motorhome owner with a serious problem.

Gary

[SargeW]

It seems as though Cummins is more concerned with being overwhelmed by RV owners flooding their shops for a patch that still have functioning Def sensors. They care very little if an RV owner gets stuck miles from no where on the side of the road and incurs great expense being towed to a shop and waiting in line.

[R.Wold]

Originally Posted by SargeW

It seems as though Cummins is more concerned with being overwhelmed by RV owners flooding their shops for a patch that still have functioning Def sensors. They care very little if an RV owner gets stuck miles from no where on the side of the road and incurs great expense being towed to a shop and waiting in line........

.......or lengthy delays, damage, or injury.

What they do care about is the ability to claim there is a solution so they can continue doing whatever it was they were doing before this issue finally got some recognition and became a distraction for them. And that obviously is the extent of the level of concern.

[hdgoldie]

Originally Posted by Ray,IN

Read this post, https://www.irv2.com/forums/f64/if-y...cs-561860.html

My card was recently the victim of a fraudulent charge - actually what appeared to be two small test charges. Take the warning seriously and check your cards. We got the card cancelled before a bigger one came through.

[Mikenat]

Small $1 charges are usually to confirm recurring accounts still being valid. I know when I have opened something new that happened and then I got a couple $1 credits to offset. No big deal.

The rancor about def, Shaw Spartan and Cummins is valid. No consumer should have to worry about being sidelined in their purchase. Whether the EPA regulations for mandatory derate are unconstitutional is probably not true. The ATA is not concerned about RV diesel owners. Class 8 OTR trucks do not have the same def equipment our coaches have. Bottom line is until Shaw comes up with a better unit we are stuck. Sorry. Option two is sell your coach and reduce stress. Buy a gasser.

[brobox]

Originally Posted by Mikenat

Small $1 charges are usually to confirm recurring accounts still being valid. I know when I have opened something new that happened and then I got a couple $1 credits to offset. No big deal.

Not always, I have one card only used for purchased on my commercial building. There are no recurring charges or auto bill pay on that card, only purchases. A few days after making a purchase at Lowe's, a dollar test charge showed up, and not from Lowe's, much like Linda's. The CC company was the one to tell me Lowe's was hacked, they also changed the card. Lowe's never did contact customers that they had been hacked that I am aware of.

[SargeW]

There are thousands of diesel trucks of various sizes sidelined across the country because of the Def sensor issue. And now add in the Cummins fuel rail issue also affecting RV's and Trucks. The fuel rail is also on back order for a couple of months. Keeping these rigs on the road and rolling is always an adventure. Diesel or gas.

[hdgoldie]

Originally Posted by Mikenat

Small $1 charges are usually to confirm recurring accounts still being valid. I know when I have opened something new that happened and then I got a couple $1 credits to offset. No big deal.

The rancor about def, Shaw Spartan and Cummins is valid. No consumer should have to worry about being sidelined in their purchase. Whether the EPA regulations for mandatory derate are unconstitutional is probably not true. The ATA is not concerned about RV diesel owners. Class 8 OTR trucks do not have the same def equipment our coaches have. Bottom line is until Shaw comes up with a better unit we are stuck. Sorry. Option two is sell your coach and reduce stress. Buy a gasser.

The small “tests” were from different locations and were $3.XX and $13.XX (don’t remember the change). AMX told me scammers often use small dollar amounts to “check” the card. If no reaction to those, then the larger $$ start showing up. I get an email alert whenever my card is used. Easy to see any unauthorized charges.