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Old 12-27-2015, 04:03 PM   #15
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I believe they are referring to the air dryer filter/cartridge Bob..........
Thanks! - why didn't they say so........
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Spartan Warranty says 15k miles or 12 months. As long as that warranty is in force, you need to play by those rules. After that, you have to pay attention to Cummins' warranty. After that, it might be worthwhile to look at synthetics and extended life oils, but not before.


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I did in the isl and will continue to in the isx to change the oil in Oct. or just before I stop someplace for the Winter. Why would I want to change it again in March or April since the oil is still new? If I was using the Mh or a truck with an isx during the Winter then I might change the oil every six months, but I don't and most people I know don't. I don't believe throwing away 7-14 gallons of new oil is the right thing to do. Noel
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Spartan Warranty says 15k miles or 12 months. As long as that warranty is in force, you need to play by those rules. After that, you have to pay attention to Cummins' warranty. After that, it might be worthwhile to look at synthetics and extended life oils, but not before.


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OK, thanks for the information everyone. Thank you!

I have 8,500 miles on the coach in 11 months and getting ready to head out on another big trip to the West Coast. So, I am going to adopt the 15,000 mile or 12 months assumption, and will get the oil, fuel, and coalescing filter changed and the coach lubed wherever we are at approximately 12 months. I have found Speedco to be about as good as you can get on oil and filter changes. I carry spares for all filters in the basement. They like to replace with Baldwin filters but I have been told that they are now also carrying Fleetguard filters (maybe an upcharge??). I'm comfortable with either one. I will probably get one of the Speedco locations in Southern Arizona to do the job near 12 months. Also, going to have them run the oil assay and tell me what the oil is like when I change.

Again, thanks everyone. I'm happy to spend money on the Cummins... be nice to it, and hope it is nice to me..

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Make sure you have Speedco lube the chassis as well.
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To find the recommended oil change interval for YOUR Cummins engine call Cummins Care at 1-800-343-7357 with your engine number and ask.
IMO nobody knows your particular Cummins engine better than Cummins.
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True that!
I checked with Cummins just to make sure after I had digested my ISL owners manual. They both said the same.
I've been confounded by some folks out here that ask me this question, and they give me a blank stare when I ask what their owners manual says.
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I did in the isl and will continue to in the isx to change the oil in Oct. or just before I stop someplace for the Winter. Why would I want to change it again in March or April since the oil is still new? If I was using the Mh or a truck with an isx during the Winter then I might change the oil every six months, but I don't and most people I know don't. I don't believe throwing away 7-14 gallons of new oil is the right thing to do. Noel
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No one here recommended changing the oil every six months.
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Six months??
No one here recommended changing the oil every six months.
You better go back and reread the post. Cummins also says six months on the isx, but I don't use it during the Winter.

ISX15 and ISX12 Maintenance Intervals
Maintenance Item
Oil and Filter
Fuel Filter
Coolant Filter
Valve Adjustment
Coalescing Filter
DEF Filter
Particulate Filter Cleaning
ISX15 Miles/Kilometers
30,000 mi 48,000 km
30,000 mi 48,000 km
50,000 mi 80,000 km
500,000 mi 800,000 km
125,000 mi 200,000 km
300,000 mi 480,000 km
200,000 mi 320,000 km
ISX12 Miles/Kilometers
25,000 mi 40,000 km
30,000 mi 48,000 km
50,000 mi 80,000 km
250,000 mi 400,000 km
150,000 mi 240,000 km
300,000 mi 480,000 km
200,000 mi 320,000 km
Months
6 (ISX15) 6 (ISX12)
6 (ISX15) 6 (ISX12)
12 (ISX15) 12 (ISX12)
60 (ISX15) 24 (ISX12)
Consult QuickServe® Online (quickserve.cummins.com) or your Owners Manual for the most accurate and up-to-date information.
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Per the Cummins Reference Sheet for my ISX the interval is 15k or 12 months.


Cooling
Routine Maintenance Recommendations
• Check coolant level before every trip.
• Check coolant concentration every 15,000 miles / 6 months
or whenever coolant is added to the system. The ISX
requires supplemental coolant additives (SCA). Add liquid
SCA or change coolant filter (if equipped) as needed.
• For accuracy, use of a Refractometer (example: Fleetguard
No. C2806) to test antifreeze is recommended vs. floating
ball device. Fleetguard test strips (CC2602) are to be used
to test SCA levels.
• Drain/flush cooling system every 250,000 miles / 2 years
and refill with heavy-duty coolant (as described below).
* Extended coolant drain/flush/fill intervals may be followed
when certain requirements are met. For more information
on these requirements, refer to the Cummins Coolant
Requirements and Maintenance Service, Bulletin 3666132.
Definition of Heavy-Duty Coolant
A combination of 50/50 water and low silicate antifreeze
(ethylene glycol or propylene glycol are acceptable) that
meets ASTM4985 (GM6038M) specs provides protection to
-34°F. In addition to freeze protection, antifreeze is essential
for overheat and corrosion protection. Avoid over-concentration,
as freeze protection decreases above 68%.
Consult Owners Manual for water quality requirements.
Fleetguard Water-Check test strips (CC2609) can be used to
check water quality. Use of distilled water is acceptable.
Cummins recommends the use of a fully formulated
coolant, such as Fleetguard Compleat, that meets ASTM
D6210 (EG) or ASTM D6211 (PG) specifications. Consult
chassis manufacturer for compatibility with OEM
cooling system.
Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF)
DEF is reactant used in the SCR system of an engine
meeting the EPA 2010 emission regulations. It is a non-toxic,
non-polluting, non-flammable liquid that requires no special
handling.
• EPA 2010 engines are required to use DEF that meets
ISO 22241-1.
• Cummins strongly recommends use of DEF that is
API certified.
• For maximum shelf life, store DEF in sealed container to
avoid contamination, at temperatures below 78°F (26°C),
and avoid exposure to direct sunlight.
• DEF will freeze around 11°F (-12°C) but DEF will not
degrade when frozen.
Contact Number
Cummins 1-800-DIESELS™ (1-800-343-7357)
Customer Assistance Center
Lubricating Oil
Routine Maintenance Recommendations
Check oil level daily.
Oil Drain Interval Fleetguard Filter
15,000 miles / 12 months LF 9001
Replace oil filter at EVERY oil drain interval.
Lubricating Oil Recommendations
The primary Cummins recommendation is to use SAE 15W40
oil for normal operation at ambient temperatures above 5°F
(-15°C). Consult the Owners Manual or a Cummins distributor
for recommendation concerning colder operating temperatures.
*A non-low ash oil meeting CES 20078 (API CI-4/SL) can be
used with no change to the oil change interval, but will
reduce the service interval of the Cummins Particulate Filter.
Synthetic Oil
May be used in ISX engine provided they meet performance
and chemical requirements. Should not be used in a new
engine until the first oil change interval mileage is reached.
Use of synthetic oil does NOT justify extended oil drain intervals.
Recommended for use in ambient temperatures consistently
below -13°F (-25°C) for improved engine cranking and flowability.
Engine Break-in Oil
Special break-in oil should not be used.
Supplemental Oil Additives
Supplemental oil additives such as friction-reducers and
graphitizers should not be used unless the oil supplier can
provide evidence of satisfactory performance. If there is any
doubt about suitability of an oil, consult the oil manufacturer
for a definitive recommendation, or data to establish that the
oil has performed satisfactorily in Cummins engines.
Oil Analysis
Oil analysis, as a method to extend drain intervals, is NOT
recommended. Different methods of measuring soot, lack of
correlation among testing labs, and differing driving patterns
and idle time are the basis of the recommendation.
Recreational Vehicle Maintenance and Operation
ISX15 Electronic Diesel
Quick Reference Guide
Engines without a
Diesel Particulate
Filter (DPF)
(pre-EPA ‘07)
Engines with DPF
or SCR*
(EPA ‘07 and ‘10)
Must meet Cummins
Engineering
Specification (CES)
CES 20078 CES 20081
API Specification API CI-4/SL API CJ-4/SL
Always refer to your Owners Manual, for complete
information.
Fuel
Routine Maintenance Recommendations
Fuel filter should be changed at EVERY oil change. Fuel
filters with water drains should be routinely opened to remove
captured water.
Fleetguard Part numbers for:
Low/Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel (ULSD) Fuel and Fuel Lubricity
Fuel additives for lubricity are NOT required by Cummins
when using commercially available #2 diesel fuel or #1 / #2
winter blend diesel fuels. ULSD fuel must be used with
engines with a Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF).
Biodiesel
ISX engines that are certified to EPA ‘02 and later regulations
are approved for use with B20 biodiesel. The appropriate
ASTM standards must be met.
Biocide Treatment
A biocide or fungicide can help when fuels are prone to
contamination with bacteria or fungus (black slime).
Other Fuel Additives
Any fuel additive product should be accompanied with
data supporting its performance and benefit. Engine failures
caused by incorrect fuel are NOT covered under warranty.
It is not the policy of Cummins to test, approve or endorse
any product not manufactured or sold by Cummins.
Idle / Cooldown
Fast Idle
ISX engines with the common rail fuel system may
automatically increase engine speed under cold ambient
conditions to decrease time for engine warm-up under idling
conditions.
Engine Warm-up
Idling the engine for warm-up is not necessary. When oil
pressure is indicated, put motorhome in motion. Operate
with a light throttle and limited RPM until coolant temperature
reaches approximately 150ºF.
Engine Cooldown
Prior to shutdown, an engine should be idled 3-5 minutes
after extended full throttle or high power operation. However,
under normal driving conditions, such as exiting a highway,
engine operation is generally lighter in nature and thereby,
the 3-5 minute cooldown is not necessary.
Component Maintenance
The following components require periodic maintenance /
inspection. Please refer to the appropriate vehicle / engine
manual for details.
Valve Adjustment Interval
Check / adjust at 500,000 miles.
Air Filter and Intake System
Follow RV manufacturer’s recommended filter change interval.
Visually inspect intake air components at each oil change for
cracks or loose connections. Routinely inspect filter minder.
Vibration Damper
Inspection required at 50,000 miles / 1 year which includes
visual inspection for deformation.
Front Accessory Drive Belt
Inspection required at 120,000 miles / 1 year which includes
visual inspection of all components.
Coalescing Filter
Replace every 125,000 miles.
Fleetguard Part Number CV5060100
Particulate Filter
Clean every 300,000-400,000 miles.
DEF Filter
Replace every 200,000 miles.
Hydrocarbon Doser Injector Cleaning
Clean every 150,000 miles.
Additional Routine Maintenance Recommendation
for EGR Systems
Check EGR system and hoses at 120,000 miles / 2 years.
Turbocharger air shutoff valve filter change 250,000 miles / 2 years.
Additional details can be found in the ‘Maintenance Guidelines’
section of the engine’s Owners Manual.
Extended Shutdown Start Procedure
Engine oil pressure must be indicated on gauge within 15
seconds after starting. If oil pressure does NOT register
within 15 seconds after starting, shut off engine
immediately and contact your local Cummins distributor.
Recreational Vehicle Maintenance and Operation
ISX15 Electronic Diesel
Quick Reference Guide
Cummins Inc.
Box 3005
Columbus, IN 47202-3005
U.S.A.
Phone: 1-800-DIESELS (1-800-343-7357)
Fax: 1-800-232-6393
Internet: everytime.cummins.com
Bulletin 4971289 Printed in U.S.A. 4/10
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(no SCR)
EPA ‘10
(SCR)
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filter
FS2203 FS19764
2 micron primary
fuel filterFF2200 FF5686
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Old 12-28-2015, 11:48 AM   #25
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Straight from Cummins: oil change on the isx is 6 months or 25000 mi as long as the oil meets ces20081. However, they did say if you change the oil and don't use the Mh during the Winter then once a year would be OK as long as you don't exceed the 25000 mi limit. They also said DO NOT use SCA with final charge coolant in the isx.
I know the first part doesn't sound very definitive, but that's what the man said. Noel
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It also mentions changing the coolant filter every 12 months. I've never owned an engine with a coolant filter and, at 16 months have yet to change mine. Need some warmer weather.

Also mentions the coalescing filter, I don't know where that is on my engine.
Bob,

The coalescing filter on the ISL is on top of the engine, (on the ISX the location may be difference) it is NOT the air dryer filter. The ISL does not have a coolant filter, your ISX may be different but I doubt it.
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The coalescing filter on the ISL is on top of the engine, (on the ISX the location may be difference) it is NOT the air dryer filter. The ISL does not have a coolant filter, your ISX may be different but I doubt it.
Thanks - seems like the coalescing filter is for the crankcase ventilation system.

As suggested by this.
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PK, everyone fess-up. Who has ever changed this filter and if so, how frequently? Do we even have one? The ones I see on line are between $60 and $120 bucks...

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