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Old 10-19-2021, 03:41 PM   #1
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Paint and clear coat question

When at EC last, forgot to ask about paint. Specifically, touch up paint. IIRC, EC does not offer paint, but not sure.
I was wondering if anyone who had work done at Precision Paint or other shops that paint/repair EC can supply touch up paint. I’ve not had contact with any of their preferred vendors but I know many here have.

Reason: clear coat on top of coach is peeling off. Only noticeable when on the roof. I know I can sand and apply a two part clear coat. Most of the base color is there but a little faded.
Good part, it is a solid color. Off the shelf color matching will be worse than if I applied clear coat only.
I know I could go to a body shop with the paint codes but it will be expensive.
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I had more than a small number of paint spots worked on during my 2.5 (COVID+Surgery delay) but I got no additional or supplemental paint samples.

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Old 10-20-2021, 09:14 AM   #3
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There is at least one place on the web that sells Sikkens touch up kits…

https://colorndrive.com/en/touch-up-...,79183/details

That’s just a random kit I found.
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S&S did some work for me and they did a good job. Their phone number is (574)862-7924


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You are really bringing up two different thing, touch-up paint and clear coat repair.


Touch-up paint is usually a single stage paint that dries to match the color and gloss of the original two stage paint. It is meant for small areas like minor scratches and dings.


Clear coat repair is another matter. Yes, you can buy clear coat and apply it over OEM paint, but it will fail within a relatively short time. Two stage paints are designed to be applied together within a short time. The color coat and clear coat must form their bond before the color coat has completely cured. This is why a pro shop will reapply a base coat of color before applying the clear coat. It is also why it is so expensive to have a small area of clear redone properly.
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Our 2016 came with 4 bottles of paint for touchup purposes. They were in a plastic bag in the drawer with all the remotes.
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Larry is correct, the only right way to fix the clear coat is to start over with base coat/clear coat. Mine was badly peeled and faded so I did just that, with a HVLP gravity feed paint gun from Amazon and 2 stage paint from Finishmaster. The prep and masking took a long time but I had plenty of time on my hands and the results were very pleasing. The old base coat should be sanded and sealed before applying new. My rig is only 25.5 feet so it wasn't too much work and it was indoors which did help but still totally doable outdoors.
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Reason: clear coat on top of coach is peeling off. Only noticeable when on the roof. I know I can sand and apply a two part clear coat. Most of the base color is there but a little faded.
Good part, it is a solid color. Off the shelf color matching will be worse than if I applied clear coat only.
I know I could go to a body shop with the paint codes but it will be expensive.
Not something I normally recommend,....
If the clear coat is failing in a small area, and it is confined to the top of the coach. IE, not really visible form the street view. If however, the clear has failed over a large area, say over 12" or now, have it fully repaired. If your clear coat damage looks like Bigb56, do what he did.

Might I suggest sanding the failing clear with 800 grit paper, with lots of water. Go slow, and do not cut through the color coat. Dry and mask off an area 3-6 inches larger than the repair. Apply 2K clear https://www.amazon.com/Spraymax-Clea...NsaWNrPXRydWU= over the area, while staying just shy of the feather sanded edge. Then apply a spray blend agent, such as https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
This will activate the old clear, and allow it to melt into new clear.
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What Cruzer said. If you did not buy the coach new. I would look around. There should be small cans and small plastic bottles somewhere. Or maybe where you purchased it has them.
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Thanks for the input and advise. The area is the top of the rear cap and the very top of the front cap. Guessing’14’s may be experiencing the same.
If it were lower and visible, it would be done properly in a professional shop.
Unless I can get the color match from S and S, I will probably sand and apply clear coat as best I can. Just trying to avoid it progressively getting worse which it will if I do nothing.
Thanks again!
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Thanks for the input and advise. The area is the top of the rear cap and the very top of the front cap. Guessing’14’s may be experiencing the same.
If it were lower and visible, it would be done properly in a professional shop.
Unless I can get the color match from S and S, I will probably sand and apply clear coat as best I can. Just trying to avoid it progressively getting worse which it will if I do nothing.
Thanks again!
Test a small area first, some paints (Lacquers) when applied over existing paint (enamel) will "lift" the existing paint and you'll have a real mess on your hands.
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Test a small area first, some paints (Lacquers) when applied over existing paint (enamel) will "lift" the existing paint and you'll have a real mess on your hands.
That's true but Entegra uses a Sikkens polyurethane enamel, like most coaches now do although some are BASF or DuPont Chromabase. The two part paints are tough enough that other paints won't eat them up. Plain Alkyd enamel or lacquer are pretty much history. I haven't sprayed that stuff in about 40 years.

By the way, if you find your original touch up paint and it turns out that it has started to dry out and turn to a gel you can make it fluid again with a bit of nail polish (which is Acetone).
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Good time to mention that by using 303 Protection on the front and rear caps plus the radius 3 times a year will take care of the clear coat for 10 plus years.
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By the way, if you find your original touch up paint and it turns out that it has started to dry out and turn to a gel you can make it fluid again with a bit of nail polish (which is Acetone).
I think you meant to say nail polish "remover"?

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