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Old 10-18-2020, 05:36 PM   #1
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Pointing A Winegard Rayzar

We use OTA TV fairly often, and usually the "scan automatically" feature works pretty good on the antenna.

But at a CG a few weeks ago, it happened that we were 20 miles from a single PBS station, and, say 40 miles from a metro area (in different directions, naturally). So the Rayzar locked in on the close station and ignored the major metro area.

I've got an app that says which direction various TV signals are coming from, so I know that I want to point the antenna, say, at the "northeast"---but I don't see the correlation of the controls of the Rayzar to the real world. I tried to make a few guesses, but didn't have much luck. One issue is trial-and-error takes a while, as you have to let the TV search for signals to see if you got it right.

If I were setting one up, I'd have the "straight up" control to have the antenna pointing at the front of the rig.

I checked the Rayzar manual--it looks as though they intend the manual control to just bump it a few degrees one way or the other to "touch up" the signal. Evidently no one else wants to point it manually.

Anybody have a clue on how to point the antenna in a particular direction?

ps: I know, I know, skip the OTA and get the satellite going...
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I take it you have the fixed model? Perhaps you should move the coach in the direction of the metro area.
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I put one on my coach, replacing the Jack thing it came with.

It is supposed to be aligned so straight up on the display = straight forward on the coach.

Also it needs to be high enough to be over the air conditioners. A terribly expensive bracket is sold, I made mine.

After it does a scan, it locks to the strongest signal, but should have lights around the dial for other signals it finds.
One of the buttons will jump it from one known signal to the next, repeatedly around the dial. It's in the manual.
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Drawback to the mounting of our Raysars they are directional. The way they are mounted on our Entegras is below the roof AC and the awning, blocking the signals from those directions. Winegard makes a ridiculously priced adapter to solve the problem. It's a good photo to make your own. https://winegard.com/products/hdtv-d...zar-auto-mount
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Drawback to the mounting of our Raysars they are directional. The way they are mounted on our Entegras is below the roof AC and the awning, blocking the signals from those directions. Winegard makes a ridiculously priced adapter to solve the problem. It's a good photo to make your own. https://winegard.com/products/hdtv-d...zar-auto-mount

I used 3 pieces of steel from Lowes.
The Rayzor is extremely light, doesn't need much to hold it there.
It's back that far cause someday there will be solar panels on each side of that air conditioner
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It is supposed to be aligned so straight up on the display = straight forward on the coach.
That's what I would expect. It didn't seem like it was working that way...


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After it does a scan, it locks to the strongest signal, but should have lights around the dial for other signals it finds.
One of the buttons will jump it from one known signal to the next, repeatedly around the dial. It's in the manual.
I'll re-read the manual! The control panel has a terrible user interface...basically just poorly-labeled buttons and unlabeled lights. And an alpha-display that means nothing...

Anyway, this helps point me in the right direction, thanks!
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I used 3 pieces of steel from Lowes.
The Rayzor is extremely light, doesn't need much to hold it there.
It's back that far cause someday there will be solar panels on each side of that air conditioner
Did you notice much of a signal improvement raising the antenna? I have been told it was substantial.
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I did not do a comparison to it flat on the roof. It made no sense to me to put it down low between the metal awnings and the air conditioner, and behind whatever is in the front cap.

As compared to the original jack thing, it's much better, picking up a dozen channels where the jack got none.
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Did you notice much of a signal improvement raising the antenna? I have been told it was substantial.
It seems like the downside would be making the rig taller by 5-6 inches. Aren't our ACs the highest thing on the rig? Or maybe I'm wrong about the height...
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It seems like the downside would be making the rig taller by 5-6 inches. Aren't our ACs the highest thing on the rig? Or maybe I'm wrong about the height...
Gets it up even or maybe just above. Sitting below the AC, as now installed blocks any marginal signals from that direction. Lots of metal in both the AC and the awning to block signals. In my use adding an inch wouldn't make any difference in the height of the MH. I still figure 13 ft. The bracket does not look to be 5 inches higher than the AC. I am going to make my own, so it will be just above the A/C.
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So the question is: Since this is a known issue, why does Entegra still put the antennas down in a canyon on their new coaches?
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So the question is: Since this is a known issue, why does Entegra still put the antennas down in a canyon on their new coaches?
I'll bet because the extension mount is $89. It is crazy that the antenna mount has to be modified for the antenna to work 100%
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I'll bet because the extension mount is $89. It is crazy that the antenna mount has to be modified for the antenna to work 100%
Entegra could probably make those mounts for $10 or $15.
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