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Old 03-25-2016, 08:45 AM   #15
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On the Entegra, the slides go out at ride height and not at level. For me it works great as I have slope to my driveway. With the Entegra, no problem and as Dave said, not a problem with the refrigerator.

With my previous coach just the opposite. Front wheels were off the ground for slides and refrigerator to work properly. I like the Entegra much better. Auto level is good enough, as the slides are already out, and the front wheels stay on the ground.
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Coming from the 5th wheel world leveling a MH is new to us. We have a 2017 Anthem on order and I have a few questions on leveling at campsites.

1. How much difference in the grade between the front and rear can the leveling system adapt to? Example: if the rear is 6" lower or higher than the front can that be compensated for? Same question for side to side leveling.

2. In CGS I have seen some MH owners place levelers under front tires or under the jacks. When is this necessary?

3. I've heard you open slide outs and then level with Entegra which is opposite of a fiver, is that correct?

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For question #1 being off 6" front to rear will be harder to level for without lifting a wheel/axle off the ground or run out of jack extension. For this I have boards either under the jack or wheel as necessary. I also do not like having wheels off the ground. Being off 6" side to side is generally not a problem to compensate for with jacks alone. I try to avoid sites where the rear will be lower than the front by a significant amount (too many boards required to level and don't want the rear off the ground EVER).
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Old 03-25-2016, 02:42 PM   #17
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As to finding level in the coach, I use the inside of the convection oven. Had the coach dead level by floor, DW baked a sheet cake. One side was 1" high, and the other almost 2" high. Since I've been using the convection as a guide everything turns out great there and you don't notice it inside the coach at all.
Maybe a tumbler of whiskey would work just as well. Something to consider.
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Maybe a tumbler of whiskey would work just as well. Something to consider.
I was thinking water, but I like your way better!
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Old 03-25-2016, 10:59 PM   #19
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My current motor home has a full wall slide, and I have been warned never to deploy it unless perfectly level.

Is this not a concern with Entegras because they don't use full wall slides? Or maybe because the slide motors and mechanisms are designed differently in general?

I would certainly love not to worry about being perfectly level, since we plan to do a fair amount of boondocking and camping at primitive sites.


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I'm not sure of the mechanics of this (different slide design, mechanisms, etc)...

...but Entegra actually doesn't care if the coach is level or not...they want the coach at ride height (i.e. on the suspension with the air bags inflated as if ready to go down the road) during extension and retraction. The coach is brought to level after the slides are extended.

When packing up, the coach is brought off the jacks, then brought to ride height by starting the motor and running the compressor, and then the slides are retracted.
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Old 03-25-2016, 11:36 PM   #20
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Do the bags air up while the jacks are down? I was under the impression that the bags only started filling up with air once the jacks were up. Once my jacks weren't fully up and even though my display showed that I had air pressure, my airbags weren't fully inflated and it wasn't at rising height. I thought I read somewhere that's why most people push the retract all a couple of times so the solenoids will close.

I usually retract all and then start engine to fill the bags up, but apparently I'm doing this incorrectly.
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Old 03-26-2016, 05:39 AM   #21
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The air bags do not air up, but you are to air the coach up before retracting the jacks according to the Entegra departure check list. The airbag will air up after the jacks are retracted. I have only had to push "all retract" again a couple of times to get the dump valve to close, but it does happen.

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To simplify what Chuck said, start the engine let the air build up then push all retract. You will see the air pressure drop when you push the all retract, as the bags fill the pressure will rise and be at max when you reach ride height. You should ALWAYS check visually outside to make sure the Mh did indeed go to ride height. After all this retract the slides and you're on your way. Noel
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After using the autolevel setup a few times and not being that level, I decided to "Set the Null". I placed the level in the middle of the induction cooktop during the reset. Don't have to worry about my eggs sliding out of the pan anymore
This is a new and good idea for trying to get my null set properly! Eggs are important....

I've reset several times and always have A/C condensation running off both front and back making a bit of a mess by the door so we wind up manually raising the front and/or lowering the rear enough to force the drips to the rear. Level winds up being noticeable off by a bit but not enough to bother us.
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I guess that's the more specific question. When you say let the air build up, how much? What are they building into as i thought when the jacks are down, it's not filling the bags. When i start my coach and jacks are down, the levels raise fairly quickly. Am i supposed to just wait a few seconds?
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I guess that's the more specific question. When you say let the air build up, how much? What are they building into as i thought when the jacks are down, it's not filling the bags. When i start my coach and jacks are down, the levels raise fairly quickly. Am i supposed to just wait a few seconds?
Wait until the pressure builds fully on the gauges before raising the jacks so the pressure has the muscle to move the check valve over fully allowing the air bags to inflate properly.
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Here is a PDF of the Entegra startup and raising the jacks procedure if anyone would like to print it out.
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I may do things sometimes the "hard way" but I like foolproof. Here's what I do to retract the jacks....
1. Start the engine with slides out and jacks are down.
2. Wait until air pressure regulator for chassis goes "pffft" meaning fully aired up.
3. Hit all retract, wait until system double beeps at completion.
4. Retract slides.
5. I hit all retract once more system has aired up again. If air bag valve did not open on first retract, it will on second. May be unnecessary but it works every time.
6. Go outside and examine clearance around tires vs body to make sure at ride height.
7. Either shutdown to complete unhooking for neighborly peace or drive away.
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I do one step further, 3a let system air up again before retracting slides. That puts us at full ride height before retracting slides and it only take a few seconds.

Good post, we haven't had a "tire rubbing" post in a long time where someone has not aired up correctly. Never hurts to repeat this type of post.
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