Second ATS failure in 6 months

[Gary.Jones]

One more thing,.... The ECOA group comments and everyone agreed that the TRC 41260 had a single capability to protect against surge voltages..... One criterion surge and the surge circuit was no longer operable, and it was not field serviceable. Those that knew said the progressive industries was capable of repeated protection, was warranted for life, and was field serviceable. Their big 50 amp unit comes with an LED display on the unit as well as a remote LED display to be mounted in the coach and permits monitoring fault status, voltage, and current draw on each leg

Gary

[Flanz]

Now, this is just me, but if I was faced with protecting my power/coach I would install the TRC 40250-RVC.

I'll be purchasing a coach soon, so I'll have no protection at all outside of what the coach comes with, which really sounds like nothing. Install looks very straight forward as long as the unit fits, so I'll be able to save some here.

I know the TRC 40250 is ~3x the cost of what's in the coach, but I can factor in the cost of what I would save by not installing a PI unit. I would then work to sell the old TRC 41260, which could bring in a little to help off set the cost. Then I would have total transfer and power protection. This, too me, sounds like the best possible solution for protecting the coach.

Am I off base here? Or would this be the best of both worlds?

-paul

[wa8yxm]

One thing that kills ATS units is called "Hot Switching"

When power returned.. Did you unplug before STOPPING generator..or did you turn off the MAIN breaker before stopping generator (or the park's breaker?) Or did you just shut off and let it attempt to transfer back?

Always shut off POWER either by unplugging from shore or shutting off either shore or RV's MAIN breaker before transferring power..

[brobox]

Originally Posted by Flanz

This, too me, sounds like the best possible solution for protecting the coach.

Am I off base here? Or would this be the best of both worlds?

-paul

The only down side I can see to this and I may be wrong...worth checking into. If the built in EMS takes a hit, is there anyway to bypass it? With a Progressive HW there is a bypass if it takes a hit and Progressive sends a replacement board, with the portable, just unplug it.

[RW8804]

The spec sheet for the ATS that I posted yesterday, the TRC 41290 model, says it has a user serviceable fuse protected surge protector on L! and L2. It has slightly better specs than the model that Cruzer suggested. I wonder if that would help. Of course it's more expensive.

I'm on my second ATS. Unless I'm convinced otherwise, next time I replace my ATS, I'll use this one. And I'll still use a surge protector at the post. We have lots of electrical items to protect.

Surge Guard 90A RVC Compatible ATS with Full RV Power Protection | Technology Research, LLC

[Flanz]

Originally Posted by brobox

The only down side I can see to this and I may be wrong...worth checking into. If the built in EMS takes a hit, is there anyway to bypass it? With a Progressive HW there is a bypass if it takes a hit and Progressive sends a replacement board, with the portable, just unplug it.

Here's what Surge Guard states -

Surge Guard Features:
• 4-mode protection, 3,350 Joules
• Energy capacity – 130,000 Amps peak.
• Fuse protected L1/L2 surge suppressers.
• Plain text display (Replace Surge) of open fuses indicating a failed MOV or open surge connection.

So, my assumption is that the fuse's are field replaceable. If so, then this could be a viable solution. I would confirm prior to purchase and I would also carry any replacement parts as I travel.

-paul

[Cruzer]

Originally Posted by RW8804

The spec sheet for the ATS that I posted yesterday, the TRC 41290 model, says it has a user serviceable fuse protected surge protector on L! and L2. It has slightly better specs than the model that Cruzer suggested. I wonder if that would help. Of course it's more expensive.

I'm on my second ATS. Unless I'm convinced otherwise, next time I replace my ATS, I'll use this one. And I'll still use a surge protector at the post. We have lots of electrical items to protect.

Surge Guard 90A RVC Compatible ATS with Full RV Power Protection | Technology Research, LLC

The 41290 has larger contacts but no RV-C network capability. Again, not many people need that. Both the 41290 and 40250-RVC have voltage protection so either would be a good choice. I didn't compare the physical sizes of the two, which may have some bearing on certain installations.

[Cruzer]

Originally Posted by Flanz

Now, this is just me, but if I was faced with protecting my power/coach I would install the TRC 40250-RVC.

I'll be purchasing a coach soon, so I'll have no protection at all outside of what the coach comes with, which really sounds like nothing. Install looks very straight forward as long as the unit fits, so I'll be able to save some here.

I know the TRC 40250 is ~3x the cost of what's in the coach, but I can factor in the cost of what I would save by not installing a PI unit. I would then work to sell the old TRC 41260, which could bring in a little to help off set the cost. Then I would have total transfer and power protection. This, too me, sounds like the best possible solution for protecting the coach.

Am I off base here? Or would this be the best of both worlds?

-paul

That's exactly what I did.

[brianw8602]

My transfer switch shorted out when my AquaHot engine preheat line came loose on the back of the unit. I was unknowingly spraying engine coolant everywhere, to include in to the transfer switch. Entegra is changing out the transfer switch and I thought, hey, as long as your changing it out, how about if I order the 40250 model, and pay the difference. This was originally agreed to, and Entegra even offered to get it through their supplier. All good until the supplier notified Entegra that the 40250 will not work with our coach???? They are replacing it with the original model, the 41260

[Flanz]

Originally Posted by Cruzer

That's exactly what I did.

Hi Mark,

Do you think that the TRC 40250-RVC will fit within the Anthem? Since we are planning on ordering an Anthem I think I'm going to go ahead and order the TRC 40250-RVC. This way when the coach gets home I can hopefully swap them out.

-paul

[Flanz]

Originally Posted by brianw8602

My transfer switch shorted out when my AquaHot engine preheat line came loose on the back of the unit. I was unknowingly spraying engine coolant everywhere, to include in to the transfer switch. Entegra is changing out the transfer switch and I thought, hey, as long as your changing it out, how about if I order the 40250 model, and pay the difference. This was originally agreed to, and Entegra even offered to get it through their supplier. All good until the supplier notified Entegra that the 40250 will not work with our coach???? They are replacing it with the original model, the 41260

Why won't it work? Did you get any sort of answer to this?

-paul

[brianw8602]

Originally Posted by Flanz

Why won't it work? Did you get any sort of answer to this?

Paul, I was told it is a wiring issue. Must have been a change to the 2016's that will allow it since we have all read that Mark is having one installed.

Brian

[Cruzer]

Originally Posted by brianw8602

My transfer switch shorted out when my AquaHot engine preheat line came loose on the back of the unit. I was unknowingly spraying engine coolant everywhere, to include in to the transfer switch. Entegra is changing out the transfer switch and I thought, hey, as long as your changing it out, how about if I order the 40250 model, and pay the difference. This was originally agreed to, and Entegra even offered to get it through their supplier. All good until the supplier notified Entegra that the 40250 will not work with our coach???? They are replacing it with the original model, the 41260

Don't see why it won't work. They are the same physical size. The only difference is that the 41260 as used by Entegra has an integral transformer that outputs a 12-24 VAC signal to the Onan EC-30 AGS whenever shore power is present. All I have to do is add a small transformer to the transfer switch and I have that ability as well. I assume that the 40250-RVC would not need a transformer to send that information because it normally would use the RV-C network protocol to communicate that data, as well as the voltage and current levels, to other networked devices, such as an EMS and AGS.

[hogdriver]

Yeah. I'd want the Entegra CS engineering guys to explain why the 40250 wiring is different. It must have something to do with the EC-30 setup. Maybe on the coaches that use that ATS have a different power control setup.