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Old 10-22-2020, 07:59 AM   #1
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Sharing Serious Storage Electrical Problems.

Lately I have had bad power at my storage location which is a private aircraft hanger with 120v 20 amps. It got so bad while packing up the 19 I could not run a roof air with everything including battery chargers turned off. While spending a week at NIRVC picking up the 21 the hanger was rewired with an entire new service panel......many burnt circuit beakers.

Got back with the 21 and still could not run the A/C. We started doing power checks at the outlets and had a 10-12v fluctuation with nothing plugged in. Called the electric company and they said to call the Power Company, it's on their end. Sure enough, when the power company showed up and went to turn power off at the poll, the switch broke, problem #1. The ground at the poll was deteriorated, problem #2. The electrician came by yesterday to see if everything was OK. He said if I did not have the Progressive EMS on the MH, anything digital probably would have fried.

Moral to the story, check outlets at a storage location for constant voltage with a volt meter if it is going to be an unknown location. Always have an EMS inline, you never know when bad power will happen. I have been at this location for 18 years without any problems until now. Glad the Progressive EMS was installed before leaving NIRVC, or I would have had serious problems when arriving home. The Progressive did shut voltage off, several times when it dropped to 104v and protected the 120v spikes.
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Old 10-22-2020, 08:21 AM   #2
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you have an EMS pt-50X?
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surge protector

how much did it cost them to hard wire the surge protector at nirv?
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Its a fairly easy job to do yourself. I published a complete and detailed step by step of installing a Progressive EMS in my coach a couple years ago. If you use the search at the top and put in ENTEGRA: Progressive EMS Gary Jones I think you will find it quickly. I installed my Progressive behind the electrical power reel in the AquaHot transfer switch electrical bay. It required removal of the power reel, but then it was a very easy install. You have to decide if you only want to protect the coach from bad power from the commercial post, or if you want to protect yourself from the commercial mains and from your own generator. I did my Anthem to protect both, and I did the Cornerstone to protect only against commercial power.


Here is the older thread:

https://www.irv2.com/forums/f278/pro...ep-406043.html

https://www.irv2.com/forums/f278/pro...-253144-2.html

This thread deals with the transfer switch primarily and what it does, and how it does its job.

using that search terms above, you will find a ton of threads on this general issue.

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you have an EMS pt-50X?
Mine is the Progressive HW 50c. I use the hardwired unit as I would be tripping over the outside unit where my power supply is in the hanger and I like the convenience of one and done.


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how much did it cost them to hard wire the surge protector at nirv?
I don't know what NIRVC center charges. Mine was a negotiated item. I have always installed my own, but this is the one time I am glad it was installed before getting home.
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Thanks for posting - would not think to check. I do leave my Progressive Portable in-line when plugged in.
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I learned the hard way too after a power problem. The EMS is great and I always leave my progressive portable connected in the building. I have gone one step further and have a temp thermostat and an electrical outage contact. My alarm guy hooked it up and it notifies on the house alarm panel and cell phone if a problem. The temp can be used in the summer as well. So my temp stick is now being used mainly on the road. This may be overkill but it gives me peace of mind.
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Just wondering. Why dont you have your own electrician install 50A service for your coach and you could stop worrying about it. If you have been there for 18 years, I would think that the hangar owner would give you permission to bring in your own electrical drop, and then you could have full convenience?

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Just wondering. Why dont you have your own electrician install 50A service for your coach and you could stop worrying about it. If you have been there for 18 years, I would think that the hangar owner would give you permission to bring in your own electrical drop, and then you could have full convenience?

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I don't know what the OP meant by power at the "poll" and whether that was just a typo for pole. But if so, that meant that there was a problem that affected the entire building. So adding another circuit would not have helped.

It reminds me of a situation in another forum almost 20 years ago where the person was having weird power problems at their apartment and it turned out to be a utility issue in their neighborhood. As I recall it was variable depending on the power use of a nearby restaurant or some such thing, which made it harder to diagnose.
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Just wondering. Why dont you have your own electrician install 50A service for your coach and you could stop worrying about it. If you have been there for 18 years, I would think that the hangar owner would give you permission to bring in your own electrical drop, and then you could have full convenience?


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I don't think you are ready his post correctly. The same problem would exist either way. The EMS is the only way he could have protected himself. And not being on site a notification system would be the only way for him to know there was a problem.
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Just wondering. Why dont you have your own electrician install 50A service for your coach and you could stop worrying about it. If you have been there for 18 years, I would think that the hangar owner would give you permission to bring in your own electrical drop, and then you could have full convenience?

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The owner passed away it's now into Estate settlement.. No problem with commercial 20 amp for years.
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I don't know what the OP meant by power at the "poll" and whether that was just a typo for pole. But if so, that meant that there was a problem that affected the entire building. So adding another circuit would not have helped..

This is a 37 acre estate with aircraft hangers, caretakers homes, stables with caretakes cottages, and a 6,000 sq ft house. The property has it's own power poll with transformer. It was the switch on the transformer that broke when the power company shut off power. The ground on the power poll was salt air corroded. You are correct, another circuit would not have helped. The entry gates (2) motors also burnt out, which we now believe was caused from the bad power.
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This is a 37 acre estate with aircraft hangers, caretakers homes, stables with caretakes cottages, and a 6,000 sq ft house. The property has it's own power poll with transformer. It was the switch on the transformer that broke when the power company shut off power. The ground on the power poll was salt air corroded. You are correct, another circuit would not have helped. The entry gates (2) motors also burnt out, which we now believe was caused from the bad power.
I guess you can spell it either way, pole or poll. I've never seen the latter before but it does pop up on Google.
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I guess you can spell it either way, pole or poll. I've never seen the latter before but it does pop up on Google.
Both are legit words but with different meanings.
Poll = a survey as in opinion poll or election poll
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