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Old 09-24-2020, 05:17 PM   #1
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Torque versus horsepower?

Have been considering upgrading to a used anthem or aspire in the near future. Wondering if the 450 HP with 1250ft/lbs of torque is adequate? I currently have a 2002 Monaco Windsor with 350 HP and 1050ft/lbs of torque. The GVW of the Windsor is about 36k lbs while the Anthem’s is 49k lbs. On a ft/lbs of torque per 1000lbs of weight, my Windsor actually has a larger number and I am not super happy with what it does on mountain roads and large hills. How’s does the Anthem handle things? Thanks for any input!

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That topic has recently been the topic of a fairly detailed thread. Let me see if I can find the link. In short,, the 450 has PLENTY of power for any hill you are going to encounter..... the issue is some people are happy to get to the top at 40 or 45 and others (in this other thread) seem to think that climbing at anything under 65-70 is unacceptable.

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https://www.irv2.com/forums/f278/eng...dp-506942.html


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Always a fun topic!
There can be no HP without torque. And there can be no work done without RPM.
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My Favorite saying for this is 'horsepower is how fast you hit the wall, torque is how far you move it'
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We moved up from a 38 ft Travel Supreme with a 350 to a 43 ft Anthem with the 450. A couple of trips over the rockies with the Anthem and never had a problem except the first trip when the new engine needed 13 updates. After that it ran fine.
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Have been considering upgrading to a used anthem or aspire in the near future. Wondering if the 450 HP with 1250ft/lbs of torque is adequate? I currently have a 2002 Monaco Windsor with 350 HP and 1050ft/lbs of torque. The GVW of the Windsor is about 36k lbs while the Anthem’s is 49k lbs. On a ft/lbs of torque per 1000lbs of weight, my Windsor actually has a larger number and I am not super happy with what it does on mountain roads and large hills. How’s does the Anthem handle things? Thanks for any input!

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Brian, I own a ‘15 Cornerstone with Spartan K-3 chassis, Allison 4000 transmission and Cummins ISX 15 600 Hp engine. I have weighed it on truck scales and by wheel and loaded full of fuel and water it weighs just under 50,000 lbs. all of those items weigh more than the K-2 chassis, Allison 3000, and Cummins ISL 450 engine. Maybe someone on the forum will pipe in on what their Anthem weighs!
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A couple years ago, I upgraded from an '08 Monaco 40', with an 8.3 rated at 360/1050 with a gvrw of 33 and change

To a '17 Aspire with an ISL rated at 450/1250 (I think) and gvrw of 49 and change.

The aspire has tons more acceleration and hill climbing torque. Hills that had the Monaco breathing hard at 20 in second gear, the aspire is taking at 40 in 4th.
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We moved up from a 38 ft Travel Supreme with a 350 to a 43 ft Anthem with the 450. A couple of trips over the rockies with the Anthem and never had a problem except the first trip when the new engine needed 13 updates. After that it ran fine.


Spartan weighted our ‘19 Anthem at 43,560 loaded to travel this summer.
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Torque makes it move......Horsepower keeps it moving......
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Have been considering upgrading to a used anthem or aspire in the near future. Wondering if the 450 HP with 1250ft/lbs of torque is adequate? I currently have a 2002 Monaco Windsor with 350 HP and 1050ft/lbs of torque. The GVW of the Windsor is about 36k lbs while the Anthem’s is 49k lbs. On a ft/lbs of torque per 1000lbs of weight, my Windsor actually has a larger number and I am not super happy with what it does on mountain roads and large hills. How’s does the Anthem handle things? Thanks for any input!

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I guess the real question is adequate for what? As mentioned above it really comes down to what satisfies you climbing, unless you want to drive your coach like a sports car. Whether you can go 65 or 35 up certain grades, what's the difference? A few minutes? Personally I'm in no hurry, so the 450 works great for me.
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Our Anthem 450 HP Cummins took us up CA Hwy 89 in the Sierra Nevada range through Luther Pass 7,700 Feet without an issue. Our Winnebago Journey with a 350 Cat would have been a disappointment having taken it to Branson and crawled up the Ozark hills.
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We have a Classic 2013 Anthem and we added a tuner. We put it on a dyno and you can see the results as this is to the wheels NOT to the flywheel which is how most are rated. This thing can climb a tree blindfolded plus since it’s an Anthem and not a cornerstone we have an extra $150 grand to play with

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Our Anthem 450 HP Cummins took us up CA Hwy 89 in the Sierra Nevada range through Luther Pass 7,700 Feet without an issue. Our Winnebago Journey with a 350 Cat would have been a disappointment having taken it to Branson and crawled up the Ozark hills.
Hey Bob we just left Branson a few days ago. These Ozark hills gives this 605 a run for its money. They aren’t very long compared to the Rockies, but they’re every bit as steep.
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