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Old 12-11-2016, 11:02 PM   #1
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Trailer Brakes

It dawned on me the other day while driving back from Road Atlanta with the coach and trailer...does the Entegra coaches come with built in electric trailer brake controllers? If not, what is everyone using?
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Nope, but I use THIS and love it. Once set you don't even need the car controller (hand controller) which now makes it easy to go from car to car.
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If you do decide to go with a wired controller, there is a wire under the dash of the coach that is pre wired to the seven pin rv plug around the back of the coach. Call CS and they will take you through it.
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Nope, but I use THIS and love it. Once set you don't even need the car controller (hand controller) which now makes it easy to go from car to car.
That thing looks pretty sweet and really just a plug and play sort of deal.
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Old 12-12-2016, 06:25 AM   #5
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Yep. I have three tow vehicles and love it
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I have a 15 ft enclosed Motorcycle trailer and installed a "Tekonsha P3" at the dash. Our coaches are pre-wired at the dash for such devices. Here's the response I was given from Spartan, when I asked about the wiring under the dash.

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Yes there is a connector that is wired with a circuit going back to the tow plug. I have attached a diagram showing what the plug looks like and it should be under the dash near the steering column.

The Blue wire SP709 goes back to the tow plug in the rear.
The Red wire is your stop light signal that shows the brakes are applied.
Pink is from a 30 amp fuse in the front fuse panel marked break control
black is ground.

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wiring diagram, sorry it's upside down. That's how Charlie sent it to me.
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Had a RF unit in my GL350 pulling an Airstream and it worked great but if you go that direction make sure the handheld and coach will pair with the unit bolted to your trailer since it may have a range limitation. Also make sure it won't operate the trailer brakes based solely on a brake light signal. That would be bad on long downhills with your engine brake on. I went with a regular controller wired as discussed and adjust the gain based on weight I'm pulling.
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wiring diagram, sorry it's upside down. That's how Charlie sent it to me.
Thanks for the diagram, that's going to make it too easy for me not to do this myself.

On a coach with air brakes, does the controller just sense the brake light signal from the coach and then adjust the gain sent to the trailer from the controller itself?
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Yea, the diagram seems confusing (especially if you look at it upside down) , but only pay attention to the colored wires and what they mean. That's really what you need to know, in order to hook up a brake controller at the dash. I think my brake controller had the same colored wires, so it was easy to match them up.

This setup knows when you put your foot on the brake via an electrical connection (doesn't care if the brakes are "air" or not). The Electric Brake Controller that you purchase and install at the dash (with it's own power feed), tells your trailer (that has electric brakes at it's axle) to apply the brakes at the trailer. You can adjust the electrical signal Plus or Minus, to the trailer, depending on your braking needs.

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Yea, the diagram seems confusing (especially if you look at it upside down) , but only pay attention to the colored wires and what they mean. That's really what you need to know, in order to hook up a brake controller at the dash. I think my brake controller had the same colored wires, so it was easy to match them up.

This setup knows when you put your foot on the brake via an electrical connection (doesn't care if the brakes are "air" or not). The Electric Brake Controller that you purchase and install at the dash (with it's own power feed), tells your trailer (that has electric brakes at it's axle) to apply the brakes at the trailer. You can adjust the electrical signal Plus or Minus, to the trailer, depending on your braking needs.

Hope this helps.
I was told by a knowledgeable technician that the 'brake light' wire is energized by your engine brake activating as well as depressing the brake. Hence my warning about your trailer brakes overheating on long downhills when using engine brake in lieu of air brakes. If that's not the case then please advise.
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Hi Jim,

That's a great question and something Spartan didn't bring up to me, during our discussions. I would ask this of Spartan to be sure.

In my case, my trailer has never experienced overheating, but that may also depend upon the size and weight of your trailer. I would guess the same holds true for what ever your towing.
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Your trailer brakes won't overheat unless you have them cranked up to the max setting and going down a long hill.

Install the trailer brake controller and enjoy.


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Used the Spartan supplied wiring with a Tekonsha controller for three years towing g a jeep and RZR on a 10k trailer. Doesn't overheat the trailer brakes and doesn't apply them when only the jake is on. Only applies when the service brake is in use.
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