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RJEV · 08-17-2022, 04:05 PM

Yes, I know we have a Tiffin and this is the Entegra forum, but I have noticed more posts on the Entegra forum about the Valor TPMS than on the Tiffin forum and hope for some input from you knowledgeable Entegra owners. Today we picked up our 2021 RED 38KA after nearly 4 weeks at the Ft. Worth, TX Freightliner dealer. We had one TPMS sensor not registering at all and intermittently no signal from the other five. The original TPMS recall had been done a few months ago (relocation of the TPMS antenna and cleaning off undercoating Tiffin had sprayed on the antenna) and for the most part all was working as it should. We also had it in for the recall on the taillight issue, which was fixed. After a week we were told by FL FWT that the bad sensor had been replaced and the entire system would have to be reprogrammed. We were told they were not able to program the system and were ordering a new module. Few days later we were told that the new module didn't fix the problem and they thought they were using the wrong computer to program the new TPMS. I finally called FL customer service. I was told by the tech that he would call FL FWT to help the with the problem. Turns out they were not using the right 'tool' to do the programing. FL FWT supposedly ordered from Valor the needed tool. Turns out they did not order it. In order to keep this short I won't go into the many ways the ball was dropped by FL FW. I spoke with Derick at Valor again today and he suggested we purchase the tool, cost about $350.00, and he would walk us through the 20-30 minute setup procedure. He also suggested it would be good to have the tool with us on the MH in case we needed it to adjust the system while traveling, etc.

We currently have the EEZ TPMS on the toad. We could buy 6 more sensors for the motorhome and just use that as our TPMS. Or, we could buy the tool from Valor and program it ourself. We could also wait until FL FWT orders the tool from Valor but we would really like to get on the road in the next 6 months. Additionally, the chassis battery was dead and had to be jumped when we picked it up. I had turned off the inverter and 12V when we dropped it off. No idea why it was on. Luckily, I had also turned off the breaker for the fridge. Basically we have given up on FL FWT.

Cost for Valor tool or 6 EEZ sensors is about the same. We're leaning towards adding the EEZ sensors and eventually finding another FL service center to program the Valor system. I actually like the EEZ system better because I can check pressure before even starting the MH and replacing the batteries would be much easier than with the Valor system. BUT, the unknown: would the signal from the Valor system interfere with the EEZ system or EEZ interfere with Valor?

Thoughts and suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Robert
2021 Tiffin RED 38KA

Tim Fox · 08-18-2022, 04:25 AM

I have never had great faith in the valor system as I rarely have all wheel locations reporting. I use the EEZ for the toad and have never had interference.

RVFunlovers · 08-18-2022, 05:50 AM

I had the EEZ tire on my 17. Self installed and self programmed. Never an issue.
I have had some issues with my Valor. My drive axel outer tires do not report when I am going down the road. I am going to Spartan in November for other issues to hopefully have that design flaw fixed by them adding more antennas.

I do not have the programmer. I am not a fan of having to purchase a programmer to make regular user adjustments such as alarm limits. But I might go ahead and purchase one.

I have not added valor to my toad. I would have to remove the tires. And I would have to get a programmer.

I moved the EEZ tire from my old coach to my new one. I simply removed each sensor, changed the battery, and added the sensor to the new coach. And I moved the EEZ booster to the new coach. Simple and straight forward.

The only advantage I see with valor is the display is built in on the dash. The EEZ tire system requires monitor unit on or near the dash and that is a negative. I do not mind having the sensor on my valve stems.

I might eventually get the Valor working with a programmer on all wheels and the toad. Maybe when I need toad tires. But I also hear the battery life is limited.

Then what if I change toad’s. Etc….

To change a battery on EEZ tire you order those super cheap batteries from Amazon and change the battery yourself if about a minute.

Since I already owned EEZ tire I am just using that for now.

The Valor has failed me so far the way it was sold to me. Others may have invested enough time and money to get it working perfectly.

gswindle · 08-18-2022, 11:18 AM

Stay with EEZ. I bought the tool. Was a big supporter of the Valor system until all of the units batteries failed. Replaced them. The Batteries do not last 4 to 5 years or at least the ones I had on my 2019. More like 2 years then you have the expense of replacing them and paying a tire place to do it. EEZ batteries are easy to replace.

RJEV · 08-18-2022, 09:04 PM

Thanks for the information/suggestions. Much appreciated. Ordered the EEZ system today.

brobox · 08-19-2022, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by RJEV

Thanks for the information/suggestions. Much appreciated. Ordered the EEZ system today.

Very wise decision. I have had two Valor systems, neither one have worked out of the box. The 21 was programed at the dealer in Atlanta and worked fine until I got close to FL, then amber temp warning lights. Worked the same way coming north on this trip, amber warning light finally went off north of Atlanta. I will not be adjusting the baseline every time a change states with different asphalt temperatures. The only fix for the Valor system is piece of black electrical tape across the dash window for the Valor warnings.

I am on my way to Entegra with 1/2 of the rear sensors coming and going.
I had the EEZ on my 14, 64,000 trouble free miles. The Valor, 2,400 nothing but problem miles. The 19 was the same way, they never fix it on the 21's.

jeff.herren · 08-19-2022, 09:21 AM

Anyone up for a project to replace the internal Valor sensor with screw on sensor that can use the dash display on the digital dashes, I posted this a couple months ago when I was looking for a better TPMS to RVi but don't have a digital dash:

So I am researching a TPMS replacement for my unreliable RVi TPMS and I have come across another J1939 CanBUS pressure systems that has stem screw on sensors.

I do not have a digital dash so I can't research further if there is any options within the TPMS systems(like choosing a different one or simply replacing the canbus module)

My thought is that maybe the Valor canbus module can be replaced by the Pressure Pro (currently OEM on Newell and Tiffin) and you can move towards a screw on system. The down side is the batteries on the sensors do not seem to be user replaceable so you'd be tied to replacing the sensor at it looks like around 50 bucks but no need to remove the wheel.

I think someone with a digital dash would need to pick up this task of researching the last mile and whether the valor canbus can simply be unplugged and then add the Pressure pro.

It appears to be the pressure pro link that does the OEM but as mentioned sensors are screw on.

https://pressurepro.us/partners/
https://pressurepro.us/link/
Might be able to keep that clean dash and replace the internal sensors of the Valor.

Probably query or stalk the Tiffin boards looking for feedback on its integrated reliability. As I do not have a digital dash and was coming at this as an enhancement to my Bluefire dash I would be looking at the pressure pro pulse, so I stopped researching the dash side.

May be worth a call or some digging.