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Old 09-04-2014, 04:33 PM   #1
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Lightbulb Well I drove the Newmar today

The Entegra just doesn't drive handle as well, sorry if I disagree with those that think its better than sliced bread.

Drove about 20 miles on Sunday in a '15 Aspire, today about 30 miles in a Ventana 4037, it was simply a little better, the comfort drive is a great feature.

I would say the Aspire was tad quieter.

The steering wheel adjustment was MUCH better on Newmar, I also can get a few options that are not standard.

All for 35K less, believe me if it was sliced bread IU would have spent the difference.

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I also found this list at one of the dealers.

The Dutch Star Tag Axle advantages include but are not limited to:


Comfort Drive n/a on Entegra products


Integrated Awnings w/ Girard G2000 Patio vs Non Integrated A & E awnings


Optional 2nd Patio Girard Awning vs N/A on Aspire


17,000lbs front IFS (14,600 IFS on non tag & 40’ TAGS) vs 15,600 lbs
I Beam Axle Freightliner XCR Chassis vs Spartan Mountain Master
1” Taller Chassis Rails for Strength and Storage


60 degree wheel cut vs 52 degree


200 amp alternator vs 170 on Aspire


Michelin 315 tires all around vs Goodyear 295 on front & 275 on rear of the Entegra


105/65/45 fresh/grey/black tanks vs 80/50/50 tanks


150 gallons fuel on tag axle units vs 100 gallons on Aspire


c-channel 16” o.c. construction vs tubular 16”o.c, construction


50,000btu Oasis hydronic heat w/2 110 heat elements vs 50,000btu Aqua Hot 400 w/ single 110 element w/ infloor water based heat


2 -37’ - 2-40’ & 9-43’ floorplans vs 1-40’, 3-42’ & 2 -44’


7-optional full wall slide floorplans vs Entegra does not build any full wall slides ( I think they do now?)


Master Piece Paint Finish w/ graphics continuing on sides of slides vs outside source paint w/o graphics on slide sides


40” Exterior tv on swing arm and Sound Bar vs stationary 32” tv
Sony products throughout vs Samsung


Optional 48” drop down tv behind sofa and fireplace on some floorplans vs stationary 46” tv’s



38” x 40” Residential Showers in most Floorplans vs 36” Radius Shower w/ Sliding Doors in All



Life Cycle change exterior and interior new for 2013 vs 7 year old exterior caps, patio lights, design


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Old 09-04-2014, 04:45 PM   #2
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Easy solution...buy the Newmar. It won't make any difference to many of us. I am a firm believer, spend your money on what you like, not what anyone else likes.

After spending 32 years is the housing business, there was an old saying "There is a buyer for every property and a property for every buyer", our job was to match them up. It sounds like you have found your match. Congratulation and enjoy the ride, if you will be spending the money.
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The Entegra just doesn't drive handle as well, sorry if I disagree with those that think its better than sliced bread.

Drove about 20 miles on Sunday in a '15 Aspire, today about 30 miles in a Ventana 4037, it was simply a little better, the comfort drive is a great feature.

I would say the Aspire was tad quieter.

The steering wheel adjustment was MUCH better on Newmar, I also can get a few options that are not standard.

All for 35K less, believe me if it was sliced bread IU would have spent the difference.

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I also found this list at one of the dealers.

The Dutch Star Tag Axle advantages include but are not limited to:


Comfort Drive n/a on Entegra products


Integrated Awnings w/ Girard G2000 Patio vs Non Integrated A & E awnings


Optional 2nd Patio Girard Awning vs N/A on Aspire


17,000lbs front IFS (14,600 IFS on non tag & 40’ TAGS) vs 15,600 lbs
I Beam Axle Freightliner XCR Chassis vs Spartan Mountain Master
1” Taller Chassis Rails for Strength and Storage


60 degree wheel cut vs 52 degree


200 amp alternator vs 170 on Aspire


Michelin 315 tires all around vs Goodyear 295 on front & 275 on rear of the Entegra


105/65/45 fresh/grey/black tanks vs 80/50/50 tanks


150 gallons fuel on tag axle units vs 100 gallons on Aspire


c-channel 16” o.c. construction vs tubular 16”o.c, construction


50,000btu Oasis hydronic heat w/2 110 heat elements vs 50,000btu Aqua Hot 400 w/ single 110 element w/ infloor water based heat


2 -37’ - 2-40’ & 9-43’ floorplans vs 1-40’, 3-42’ & 2 -44’


7-optional full wall slide floorplans vs Entegra does not build any full wall slides ( I think they do now?)


Master Piece Paint Finish w/ graphics continuing on sides of slides vs outside source paint w/o graphics on slide sides


40” Exterior tv on swing arm and Sound Bar vs stationary 32” tv
Sony products throughout vs Samsung


Optional 48” drop down tv behind sofa and fireplace on some floorplans vs stationary 46” tv’s



38” x 40” Residential Showers in most Floorplans vs 36” Radius Shower w/ Sliding Doors in All



Life Cycle change exterior and interior new for 2013 vs 7 year old exterior caps, patio lights, design


Sounds like you did your homework. Like chuck said you have to do what is best for you. Good luck with your new coach.
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Old 09-04-2014, 07:34 PM   #4
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What is the price of the Ventana?

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Old 09-04-2014, 07:44 PM   #5
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About $221, the Aspire was $255
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wow, what dealer lets you got for 20 or 30 miles? Most of my test drives have been one exit and get off the highway...
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Thanks Jimbo,

Where is your dealer? -- would like to take that Newmar out for a 30 mile test drive.

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Old 09-04-2014, 07:52 PM   #8
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they didn't mind time wise, I wanted to put them thu some quick lane changes swerves etc., they were cool, just waited for brakes in traffic and told them what I was doing ahead of time.

For a short pop to 75mpg in each, worked the jake brakes in both speed.

One the NewMar I went off the shoulder, wanted to see if it was going to catch an edge, it didn't.

Hey it's a demo.
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come'on Curt, U have an Entegra, don't need a demo in a New Mar
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Hey it's a demo.
That demo is going to be someone's new MH. Why didn't you buy it?
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Well should the driver that brings it from the factory to dealer buy it?

I wouldn't spend that kinda money buying a coach with options and colors that the sales dept selected.

Most in stock units are loaded with extras so the dealers profit is higher, the old saying is "there's an ass for every seat".

I'm ordering very specific options we both want and with NewMar U can mix and match interior color groups, there are three interior choice groups, but we like the floor from one and the walls from another, we don't want any of the fabrics on the dinette chairs so we can order leather to match the sofa's

I can get exterior colors from a DS for example also.
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We've factory ordered both of our DSDP's. On the 2002 we now have we had them remove two walls and a pocket door, countertops from a MA as well as the bath vanity from another model to name a few. All in all almost $40,000 in options/custom work (in 2002 $)
That's just one of the reasons we like the Newmar line as Entegra won't do much, if any, custom work. Even deleting a dishwasher is a no-no for Entegra.
But, nevertheless, the competition between them is good for everyone, especially the consumer.
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About $221, the Aspire was $255

Jimbo2013,

I don't understand your OP. Maybe you should post it on the Newmar side. People on this side have already done their research and are happy with their choice. This industry is like any industry out there, it is a race to see who can add this or change that first or what have you to get the buyer. When I did my research, including Newmar, I chose Entegra.

Its awesome you found a rig you like. Did you buy it? I hope it provides you many miles of enjoyment.
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Jimbo2013,

I don't understand your OP. Maybe you should post it on the Newmar side. .
Not really, it follows upto several posts and threads I did in this entegra forum when I thought I would get one.

Just stating why I didn't
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