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Old 12-08-2019, 08:07 AM   #1
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B5 diesel fuel

Is there any way of finding out which gas stations carry the b5 diesel fuel thatís recremended by Mercedes on their sprinterís.
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Virtually all stations that carry diesel have B5. Diesel that is from o to 5% biodiesel requires no labeling changes. Above 5%, the percent of biodiesel has to be on the pump.
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Old 12-08-2019, 04:36 PM   #3
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What Roger said, X2! All on-road diesel fuel contains a minimum of B2 to replace lost lubricity during the refining process that removes sulfur.
If anyone tells you their fuel contains NO biodiesel, ask them the name of the lubricity additive in their diesel fuel.
You may find this ISO study interesting: https://www.dieselplace.com/forum/76...y-results.html
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Were you asking how to find out before you go to the station? If so, it’s next to impossible. I have a Detroit DD13 that’s not recommended to use anything over B5. I’ve tried calling ahead to stations and They generally don’t know what they carry and some don’t know what bio diesel is. It’s very frustrating in California since most of the truck stops carry B20 only. I have a Canyon with a diesel and have found that most regular pumps at small stations carry B5.
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What Roger said, X2! All on-road diesel fuel contains a minimum of B2 to replace lost lubricity during the refining process that removes sulfur.
Ray- I have seen the 2% bio in ULSD fuel posted before but not verified anywhere else. EPA reports refineries add lubrication to ULSD to meet lubricity requirements.
I have a station near me that has Non- bio diesel fuel and I try always refuel there as I get home. Mercedes warns against using more then B5 in their engine, and that is not always easy to do.
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Ray- I have seen the 2% bio in ULSD fuel posted before but not verified anywhere else. EPA reports refineries add lubrication to ULSD to meet lubricity requirements.
I have a station near me that has Non- bio diesel fuel and I try always refuel there as I get home. Mercedes warns against using more then B5 in their engine, and that is not always easy to do.
Please ask that station what additive they use to replace lost lubricity instead of biodiesel. Inquiring minds want to know.
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The B20 restriction on Mercedes Sprinters has been updated with some basic guidelines:

https://d3ciwvs59ifrt8.cloudfront.ne...0035e9b7cd.pdf

I have close to 60k on my Sprinter and have had no problem with B20.
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The B20 restriction on Mercedes Sprinters has been updated with some basic guidelines:
........I have close to 60k on my Sprinter and have had no problem with B20.
Restrictions are just prettied up to sell MB diesels in those that can't avoid B-20. The brochure in your link still has this paragraph:
Continuous use of B20 fuel can lead to fuel filter clogging and injector
deposits, and can cause the engine oil level to rise due to unburned fuel
washing into the oil pan. A clogged fuel filter as well as injector deposits can
cause engine performance degradation while increased engine oil levels due
to dilution by unburned fuel can cause engine mechanical damage.

The original restriction had basically the same warning followed by: "engine damage caused use of non approved fuels is not covered by the Mercedes New Vehicle Warranty"
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Ray- Long read here: https://fueloilnews.com/2010/03/04/t...-of-lubricity/

However the short version- Refiners would prefer to add lubricity additives prior to pipeline transport, but are not allowed since there is a question of compatibility with other fuels. So lubrication additives are put in by distributors to meet ASTM D275. (Lubricity requirement for diesel fuel)
According to reports made by biodiesel agencies, a fuel with a 2 percent soy (B2) content will yield a diesel fuel that, as is, meets the premium lubricity criteria.
However due to rising costs, alternate feedstock besides soy are now used for biodiesel and these do not add the necessary lubrication. " Obviously then, one certain way to ensure optimum lubricity even with biodiesel fuels at the B2 level is to incorporate into the product an effective lubricity supplement"

Anyway- potatos Potahtoes --if my local non-bio diesel fuel dealer has B-2 diesel, I'm still well below the MB concern, and also it dilutes any bio fuel I picked up in travels..
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Good read, and it backs up this lubricity ISO test from several years ago, the results of which are listed here:

https://www.dieselplace.com/forum/76...y-results.html
You will note every product tested below #13 is worse than no lubricity additive.
I'd still like to know what different lubricate additives is used by retailers, besides B100 biodiesel, for those who claim "no biodiesel"? Retailers state it, but keep what they use must be a secret.
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Restrictions are just prettied up to sell MB diesels in those that can't avoid B-20. The brochure in your link still has this paragraph:
Continuous use of B20 fuel can lead to fuel filter clogging and injector
deposits, and can cause the engine oil level to rise due to unburned fuel
washing into the oil pan. A clogged fuel filter as well as injector deposits can
cause engine performance degradation while increased engine oil levels due
to dilution by unburned fuel can cause engine mechanical damage.

The original restriction had basically the same warning followed by: "engine damage caused use of non approved fuels is not covered by the Mercedes New Vehicle Warranty"
All moot if you purchase a 2020 Mercedes diesel - latest model diesel engines have no B20 restrictions. BTW, that brochure is from 2014 and the latest Mercedes advice for older engines is much tamer - reduce idling time as much as possible, check your oil more frequently, and change your oil more frequently. No mention of warranty coverage any longer.
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I believe Mercedes-Benz recommends changing the oil and fuel filter annually, instead of the original 20,000 mile interval.
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I believe Mercedes-Benz recommends changing the oil and fuel filter annually, instead of the original 20,000 mile interval.
I agree with that. Since I don't make many long trips with my motorhome and I only use it April through October, it would take me a few years or more to rack up 20,000 miles.
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